Gamma Emerald's Large Normal Review

[Gamma Emerald]

Correct me if I'm wrong: willbooster doesn't prevent weak roleblocker from dying if they both visit the same, mafia-aligned target?

Correct.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can the same player submit the night kill + roleblock while other mafia members are alive. Can they do it if they're the last alive?

How are you using this.

I'll say no here. Is that something that should explicitly be stated in the rules?

[Cephrir]

i'm of the opinion that should be in the rules

[Gamma Emerald]

Thanks

[RadiantCowbells]

If they can't I'd prefer it being in the rules but I'm not going to make an issue of it.
I would say that it 100% should if they can because otherwise you have the potential for false clears that win the game off of it.
I don't know how exactly to balance this but I think this is actually within the range of balanced as is?

Whether the scum roleblocker keeps getting willpowered or not adds an insane amount of swing that I don't know how to deal with

[Gamma Emerald]

Fixed to OP. It said the opposite because I'm also working on a mini theme and I wrote up the rules for it and that was one of the rules and I forgot I had that.

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Hello, and welcome to Large Normal XXX!
You are a

Vanilla Townie

. You have your voice and vote.
You win when all antitown roles are eliminated and at least 1 town player remains alive.

[Cephrir]

i think the balance might be ok as well

swingy, as stated, but not super bad.

i'm still a little peeved that a d1 tracker claim would be good for town

[RadiantCowbells]

Willbooster jailkeeper interactions ARE kind of sketchy.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll see if Regfan agrees that it's sketchy. If so I'll make it so it renders the target immune to any abilities that would roleblock it, therefore making it completely unaffected by jailkeeper.
And FYI Willbooster WILL flip it's PM.

[Regfan]

Eh, I don't think making the Will booster more complicated re; it's interactions is the solution.

I'm not overly pleased with Tracker being run up and claiming D1 being a good thing for the town but I think I agree with Cephrir and RC in that overall the setup is 'fairly balanced', just very swingy. I can't think of a way to reduce that swing factor with the roles that exist at the moment. I'll think a little more on it but I might just be okay with it going as is.

[RadiantCowbells]

The correct answer would honestly be drop the jailkeeper and put something else in its place.

[Gamma Emerald]

The jailkeeper is kinda integral to the setup though

[Regfan]

Kind of is?

I'll get to this tomorrow.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like
The setup is based around the multiple roleblocking roles
I could add a couple of ascetics and use a standard doctor

[Regfan]

I think something like turning the JK into Non-Consecutive might be a work around.

[Regfan]

Means the roles still there and mafia aren't as fucked by tracker claiming.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'll wait for RC's input before finalizing the change

[Regfan]

Sure.

Think the change will help slightly I'm reducing the swing too since the roles not as dangerous in the super late game as a full JK.

[Gamma Emerald]

No input so I'll implement the change and see RC's thoughts after the fact.

[RadiantCowbells]

Didn't see this.

I guess I'm fine with non-consecutive?

[Gamma Emerald]

New role list
1 Town Willbooster
1 Town Non Consecutive Night Jailkeeper
1 Town Weak Roleblocker
1 Town Tracker
1 Town Vigilante
9 Vanilla Townies
VS
1 Mafia Roleblocker
1 Mafia Neapolitan
2 Mafia Goons

[Gamma Emerald]

1 Town Non Consecutive Night Jailkeeper

You are a

Town Non Consecutive Night Jailkeeper

. You have your voice and vote. You may also target a player on nights not consecutive to protect them from any kill attempts that night as well as prevent their action from executing.
You win when all antitown roles are eliminated and at least 1 town player remains alive.

[Gamma Emerald]

Thoughts?

[Cephrir]

i guess im ok with this

wouldn't be opposed to nerfing one of the scum roles though

[Gamma Emerald]

The Neapolitan would have to be nerfed if so because I'm not touching the RB