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In post 24, LlamaFluff wrote: If you do think Tube is scum, why not vote him though?

I don't have a strong conviction.

In post 25, SIV36 wrote:

In post 24, LlamaFluff wrote: If you do think Tube is scum, why not vote him though?

I don't have a strong conviction.

Its early. No one really ever has a very strong conviction early. Its really just a matter of trying to figure out if a hunch is correct or not through questions.

Why do you think he is scum in that matter? You haven't asked him anything at this point so that is somewhat confusing that you would be publicly stating you think he is a good pick, yet there is nothing attached to it.

The more you give reasons behind what you are doing, the better people can read you. If you are town, you want to be as open of a book as possible for the most part. As scum, it helps if you keep enough of your reads somewhat tucked away such that you have more wiggle room later in the game to have "reads" match up to what is most beneficial for you at that point in the game.

In post 26, LlamaFluff wrote: You haven't asked him anything at this point so that is somewhat confusing that you would be publicly stating you think he is a good pick, yet there is nothing attached to it.

The more you give reasons behind what you are doing, the better people can read you. If you are town, you want to be as open of a book as possible for the most part. As scum, it helps if you keep enough of your reads somewhat tucked away such that you have more wiggle room later in the game to have "reads" match up to what is most beneficial for you at that point in the game.

After posting my previous comment, I was looking back at Tuber's posts and trying to formulate a question. To me, he's scumhunting as though we are as deep in as day 3, and clockwork has barely even started. I could ask why, but it would be a silly question. I'm more of a 'let's watch and see' instead of getting into it.

My playstyle so far has always been to be descriptive with my reasoning. But so far, I have nothing.

In post 24, LlamaFluff wrote:

In post 22, SIV36 wrote:Even though this is my fourth game, I still feel really new.

I got a tip from a mafia member in another game, and that person said that the mafia can be very stressed/uncomfortable during RVS, and the transition out of it. Considering that, I just want to point out that Tuberkulos seems the most unnatural with his posts, and is sorely sticking out to me at the moment.

I would disagree with that statement, I think its more of a personality tell than anything else. Certain players regardless of alignment are more twitchy in early stages. Same "uncomfortableness" tends to apply to power roles as well. I think things like hypocrisy, excessively reaching logic, or things to that extent are the best things to start with.

*nods, agrees*

@SIV36:
Why the quick change of heart? First you imply you read me as a little scummy, because of something someone have told you before. Then you say you think I'm scumhunting. How do you want it?
And why do you agree with Llamafluff?

Quick question: what do you refer to as L-1 and L-2?

Also, with everyone being rather humble and modest in their posts, Lllama seems to stand out like a knight in shiny armour. At this point I only hope this knight sits under the right coat of arms.

In post 29, Tuberkulos wrote:@SIV36:
Why the quick change of heart? First you imply you read me as a little scummy, because of something someone have told you before. Then you say you think I'm scumhunting. How do you want it?
And why do you agree with Llamafluff?

My heart being 2% set on the side of scummy, then switching to 2% on maybe, or maybe not. I doubt I barely could distinguish even my own change of heart. I'm waiting for more action. I'm stating observations as they come to mind.

LlamaFluff disagreed that every mafia player would always gets twitchy in the RVS in every single game. Instead of just leaving his comment adrift with no response, I decided to state that I don't believe his opinion is wrong.

Tuber, do you not agree with what Llamafluff stated?

Or more seriously, how scummy do you find clockworkgirl thus far?

In post 31, daRealDodo wrote:Quick question: what do you refer to as L-1 and L-2?

L-X means "Lynch -X", essentially saying how many more players voting them causes a lynch. So a player at L-2 would require two more votes to be lynched.

Stuff needs to start happening though. This much standing around will eat up deadline fast. While I greatly appreciate games where people don't post 20 times a day, this is more than just a bit light.



Why are you showing intent to vote Byoh? You say that you aren't willing to put him at L-2, but he hasn't even posted at this point. What makes him your preferred vote over people who have not posted over UP who failed to even pick up their role?

In post 33, LlamaFluff wrote:Why are you showing intent to vote Byoh? You say that you aren't willing to put him at L-2, but he hasn't even posted at this point. What makes him your preferred vote over people who have not posted over UP who failed to even pick up their role?

Caution. I thought if I vote on him just because he hasn't posted, someone else can do exactly the same and now we're already at L-1. I probably overestimate what happens at L-1 (everyone directly accusing said player, being ready to finish him at any time), I thought it's better if we stay away from it for a couple of days. And remember, it's not like he said something that makes him scummy, he hasn't said anything. Just about everything could be the reason for that and being mafia is only 1 of them.

If I were to vote somebody, it would be Bhoysterous. But I'd rather search for scummy lines than to vote out someone who is going to get replaced anyway.

Yo I'll be around tomorrowish. Been busy with work.

Llama feels town to me on a skim.

Hello there. Thanks for adding me to the game.

Please be aware that English is my second language and I still learn it, so it might be a little bit crappy. But, please address any questions or anything to me because I don't want to use this as an excuses to not read or reply any of posts that is addressed to me.

In post 8, Tuberkulos wrote:

In post 7, In4Fun wrote:Good luck, have fun.

VOTE: SIV36

Llamafluff

Is your random vote related to the quote above?

In post 17, clockworkgirl wrote:Not a serious vote, just some light encouragement to post. You can tell because I explicitly said we shouldn't try to lynch anyone yet.
Even random voting gives us some information or at least the possibility of information. Lurking gives us the minimum possible information so Bhoysterous is automatically the most suspicious to me even if Jaereed is in virtually the same position. Again though, we really don't have anything to go off at this point.

I think you can check when is the last login of certain person in their profile. Have you thought about it before? His last login is 8 August, tho.

In post 31, daRealDodo wrote:Also, with everyone being rather humble and modest in their posts, Lllama seems to stand out like a knight in shiny armour. At this point I only hope this knight sits under the right coat of arms.

I think it is because his role as IC, regardless of his alignment. But, I'm not sure if this is should be role indicative or not, because his approach is very ...townie? I don't know how scum IC would approach to town or to their partner, but I'm pretty sure LlamaFluff will say that is depends on personality.

In post 33, LlamaFluff wrote:Vote I4F

Why did you vote In4Fun?


Let's be friend, JaeReed.

In post 33, LlamaFluff wrote:

In post 31, daRealDodo wrote:
Stuff needs to start happening though. This much standing around will eat up deadline fast. While I greatly appreciate games where people don't post 20 times a day, this is more than just a bit light.

Dude, the deadline is on the 22nd.

That's the weirdest thing I read thus far. Like, I get that it makes you sound really townie to want to get more info, but that was a really over-the-top sell.

In post 34, In4Fun wrote:And remember, it's not like he said something that makes him scummy, he hasn't said anything. Just about everything could be the reason for that and being mafia is only 1 of them.

Unless you feel he is actively avoiding the game, why is hat a tell though? There are a few types of "not posting" things: Flaking from the game, life keeping someone busy, and making a conscious effort to not post. The last one is the only situation where its scummy. The first two are not tells either way. If someone is intentionally avoiding the game for their advantage, then its a tell.

@Yooh - My vote is because I4F is showing intention to vote a player that has apparently flaked after picking up their PM, and has no intention to vote a different player who flaked but did not pick up their role first. Its a distinction that makes no sense, especially as there are players that had posted but had said literally nothing of substance. It feels like a deliberate choice instead of a natural one.

@SIV - My point is we only have two week deadlines. 20% of the day is over, and very little has been said. This little content is very bad.

In post 38, LlamaFluff wrote:Unless you feel he is actively avoiding the game, why is hat a tell though? There are a few types of "not posting" things: Flaking from the game, life keeping someone busy, and making a conscious effort to not post. The last one is the only situation where its scummy. The first two are not tells either way. If someone is intentionally avoiding the game for their advantage, then its a tell.

Well that's what I was trying to say, Bhoysterous has done nothing scummy so far. He just hasn't said anything yet. I acknowledge UberPro's absence too but voting on an inactive person is a waste of vote. It's obvious he would get replaced eventually - and he did! Welcome, Yooh.

There is a slight chance that Bhoy and/or UP read in the PM that they were mafia, got scared and rather left the game but I wouldn't vote on them just because. And I had no intention of voting on either of them until they get their 48 hour warning and get replaced. I thought we are voting people who say something doesn't sound town, not people who don't say anything in the first couple days of the two-week long dayphase. Why are you pushing me into saying I'd prefer voting on Bhoysterous? Because it's clearly not the case.

UNVOTE: Bhoysterous

There's no point in voting for him if he's being replaced. I'll give the new person a chance to talk.

@Yooh: I was not aware of that. Thanks for letting me know and welcome to the game. Is your vote for me random or do you consider me to have behaved scummily and if so, what specifically?

Right now I don't really have a strong read on anyone. Llamafluff seems to be the most town, and to make the most sense generally as well but I'm concerned that's due to him being a better/more experienced player rather than due to being town. Of the people who've posted (and Jaereed still hasn't posted anything of substance) SIV36 seems the most scummy to me. That's due to him changing his mind too easily, specifically: flipping between reading Tuberkulos as scum to reading them as scumhunting. Also, saying mafia tend to be uncomfortable early then agreeing with Llamafluff when he said they're not. I don't like him saying we've got plenty of time either, I am also concerned with the slow progression of this game.

VOTE: SIV36

In post 39, In4Fun wrote:There is a slight chance that Bhoy and/or UP read in the PM that they were mafia, got scared and rather left the game but I wouldn't vote on them just because. And I had no intention of voting on either of them until they get their 48 hour warning and get replaced. I thought we are voting people who say something doesn't sound town, not people who don't say anything in the first couple days of the two-week long dayphase. Why are you pushing me into saying I'd prefer voting on Bhoysterous? Because it's clearly not the case.

I noted that because you made a statement about not wanting to put him at L-2. You don't vote someone that you have a null read or town read on. If you would have voted him if he had zero votes, that is a preference to vote there.

That said, you actually answered my question a bit. Why do you think scum are more likely to not want to play the game than town are? Cant I make the argument that "Bhoy got a VT role, thought it wasn't interesting so left" instead?

@clock - So if Bhoy came back instead of being replaced you would think he is still a good vote? Lets say he posted right now - would you be voting him or SIV?

In post 42, LlamaFluff wrote: @clock - So if Bhoy came back instead of being replaced you would think he is still a good vote? Lets say he posted right now - would you be voting him or SIV?

My vote was to encourage him and others to post instead of lurking by showing that people couldn't avoid being voted for by hiding and not talking. It seems likely now that not posting wasn't a tactical decision but he just decided not to play for whatever reason hence my vote was useless for that purpose. If he or his replacement start posting I'd decide whether to vote for them based on the content of their posts.

In post 43, clockworkgirl wrote:

In post 42, LlamaFluff wrote: @clock - So if Bhoy came back instead of being replaced you would think he is still a good vote? Lets say he posted right now - would you be voting him or SIV?

My vote was to encourage him and others to post instead of lurking by showing that people couldn't avoid being voted for by hiding and not talking. It seems likely now that not posting wasn't a tactical decision but he just decided not to play for whatever reason hence my vote was useless for that purpose. If he or his replacement start posting I'd decide whether to vote for them based on the content of their posts.

So lets say he showed up and said

"Sorry I forgot about the game, I will try to catch up tonight".

Would you have left your vote there?

In post 44, LlamaFluff wrote:

In post 43, clockworkgirl wrote:

In post 42, LlamaFluff wrote: @clock - So if Bhoy came back instead of being replaced you would think he is still a good vote? Lets say he posted right now - would you be voting him or SIV?

My vote was to encourage him and others to post instead of lurking by showing that people couldn't avoid being voted for by hiding and not talking. It seems likely now that not posting wasn't a tactical decision but he just decided not to play for whatever reason hence my vote was useless for that purpose. If he or his replacement start posting I'd decide whether to vote for them based on the content of their posts.

So lets say he showed up and said

"Sorry I forgot about the game, I will try to catch up tonight".

Would you have left your vote there?

No, I don't think so since I wanted to vote SIV because I think he's been acting most suspicious. A post like that would put him in the same category as Jaereed which is to say they're effectively not posting meaning no-one can get a read on them. I don't like them not posting but while my read of SIV is weak it's stronger than the null read I have of the non-posters.

@Jareed: You said you'd be free to post yesterday but you didn't. When exactly are you going to be able to participate? What do you think about SIV's posts so far?

Hello! I'm replacing Bhoysterous and this is the first game of Mafia I've played on a forum.


So far Llama seems town, but then again, they're the most experienced, so could probably fake town the best. SIV seems slightly scummy, due to the fact he switched views on Tuber but I don't think that's enough for me to vote him.

Tbh I think clockworkgirl sounds like maf, but that might just be because you're actually talking.

I was talking about the exchange with Llama by the way when I was talking about clockworkgirl, wording wasn't as great as I wanted it to be.

In post 45, clockworkgirl wrote:@Jareed: You said you'd be free to post yesterday but you didn't. When exactly are you going to be able to participate? What do you think about SIV's posts so far?

I...
I did read up when I said I would.
But I don't have any real thoughts beyond Llama as town.

And I know that's not acceptable.
But basically, my strongest thought is "why did Bhoy confirm and not post?" and it feels weak and it's not real content... :/
Idunno. I don't get anything from SIV.
If you point me to a post I can try to explain why I don't get anything or maybe I'll pick something up from it? That might help.

In post 42, LlamaFluff wrote:Why do you think scum are more likely to not want to play the game than town are? Cant I make the argument that "Bhoy got a VT role, thought it wasn't interesting so left" instead?

Personal preference. I think if someone likes evil roles more than town, then they are slightly more likely to leave a game he was VT in, before it even starts. Slightly.

What is interesting to me is that he picked up his role and left afterwards. If he started the game, posted a random vote, and left exactly after his very first accusation, now that would have been sketchy. But picking up his role, saying confirm and never coming back, that's just too random. Why do you even confirm if you don't want to play the game? I can't imagine them changing their mind after 12 hours, I don't think there is an ingame reason why Bhoysterous didn't play this game. But we are looking too much into that probably.

All in all, Eclipsed start from null for me, despite being a replacing player.

It's hard to pick a lynch target at this point.