In post 21, BuJaber wrote:@mod - my access might be limited until saturday. I should still be able to post once a day easily but this is a heads up in case I can't.
Don't like Hydrae. Offer reads with no accountability because "the other head did it".
VOTE: acryon
You don't understand how hydras work.
-Assembler
Or maybe the hydras I've played with in the past didn't understand, if that's my experience?
Appreciate the clear representation from both hydras so far though
This is one of those things that people so commonly see as scummy (even though it's not actually scummy) that's wrapped around to the point where scum just don't do stuff like this.
Like, obviously scum-acryon should know that he's not gonna get any votes on these guys just for being a hydra, and should also know that an action like this isn't gonna get him any towncred because it's not actually scumhunting.
In fact, doing this actually hurts scum-acryon because it ends RVS early over some stupid shit that he could easily get lynched for.
So yeah, unless you can get meta that suggests scum-acryon does shit like this in his openings, he's town.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:36 am
by InfernoBrafin
Inferno390
: Well crap. I wasn't even paying attention to what account I was on. I deserve major mod reprimanding for that.
On a more positive note, how are Brafin and I playing scummily?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:37 am
by the worst
InfBra ur my new fav
Math why wagon Paradox?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:38 am
by Mathdino
If I told you, then you would know how to rack up townreads easier. I have no incentive to actually explain this to you, lol.
For starters, your acryon push is bad and OMGUSy.
What's your read on the worst?
Edit: Always scummy, flashwagoning scummy players is great for (hilarious) reactions.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:43 am
by the worst
VOTE: Paradox
Sounds sheepworthy
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:52 am
by InfernoBrafin
Inferno:
Mathdino, the fact that you are saying that Brafin and I are scummy without actually explaining why is scummy in itself. I sound like you're trying to scumread us without actually providing a read.
Plus, we didn't really even push acroyn. We're pushing BuJaber.
@BuJaber, mind if we call you BJ for simplification?
@Worst, I'm glad that someone appreciates my failures at life.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:00 am
by Mathdino
Whether or not you scumread me isn't really my concern. Your playstyle is naturally scummy, and if you're scum, explaining why is literally anti town for me to do.
Why would I provide reads on everyone else but you in this situation?
Regardless, I generally don't have strong reads on naturally scummy players. The scumminess masks the alignment indicative stuff.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:06 am
by InfernoBrafin
Brafin:
I'm trying to recall where either one of us have ever played a full game with you and failing. Please tell me where you're getting this "You're play is always scummy" vibe from?
And how can you scumread us and admit that our playstyle is "naturally scummy" at the same time? wouldn't that mean you nullread us?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:29 am
by Mathdino
I played with James in a jester game but I guess that doesn't count. I'm literally getting the "your play is always scummy" vibe from this game.
Some people, when they hydra together, always end up being weirdly scummy in a way that's unlike their own play. It's NAI.
feels like they're playing in an intentionally scummy way, but whatever.
I never said I scumread you. If I did, I'd be on your wagon.
Are you scumreading literally everyone whos noticed your play is scummy? What about bujabers post is something scum do? Skipping rvs is pro-town.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:57 am
by InfernoBrafin
In post 42, Mathdino wrote:Whether or not you scumread me isn't really my concern. Your playstyle is naturally scummy,
and if you're scum
, explaining why is literally anti town for me to do.
Why would I provide reads on everyone else but you in this situation?
Regardless, I generally don't have strong reads on naturally scummy players. The scumminess masks the alignment indicative stuff.
Brafin
: You're telling me this isn't subtly accusing us of being scum?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:59 am
by InfernoBrafin
Brafin:
Why is skipping RVS pro-town? I always thought it was important for town to do RVS and a natural part of the game.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:08 pm
by InfernoBrafin
Inferno
: Mathdino, stop shading the corn. I'm really starting to see this calling out our play as scummy but then just saying it's because we're hydraing is trying to make us look scummy without actually coming out and saying we're scummy.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:10 pm
by Mathdino
1. Yes, that's what I'm telling you. You have a 3/12 chance of being scum. It doesn't benefit anyone to tell town-you why you're being scummy, and it's actively counterproductive to give scum-you a road map on how to be less scummy. I want to be able to read your natural tone, uninfluenced by people telling you how to act.
2. I mean for one, RVS was already over by the time Bujaber got here. How is it more pro-town to step in, place a random vote, and leave, than it is to give a vote with actual reasons?
RVS is important but when it's over you don't try to extend it.
Edit: Okay, then vote me and see where that takes you. Telling me why you think I'm scummy isn't helpful to anyone.
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:10 pm
by InfernoBrafin
Inferno
: ANd btw, we don't scumread everyone who finds us scummy. We simply scumread those who find us scummy for blatantly bad reasons, or no real reasons at all.