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In post 22, Lovebird wrote:

In post 19, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 17, MOMOMEN wrote:okay so i confirmed with kts that this is the best way;

we picked eddie cane. we are a LOUD FLIPLESS Eddie Cane. not gonna fullclaim our ability, but when we die we flip as EDDIE CANE not town nor scum.

Lynch this claim.

Why?

It ain't town. "I don't actually flip when I'm lynched" is like, not town.

In post 21, NicoRobin wrote:

In post 10, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: mastina

Don't do that, please. It would be boring without her around, plus she is great at fleshing out who is town and who is not.

Town: Sudowoodo
Scum: Wisdom, though he is probably being himself, but I am putting him here anyway just because

Some preliminary reads.

Uh to say this is an early townread would be an understatement. Reasons?

I hope one day I can reach LLD's ego while maintaining my competence, it'll be a marvelous time

In post 27, CheekyTeeky wrote:

In post 21, NicoRobin wrote:

In post 10, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: mastina

Don't do that, please. It would be boring without her around, plus she is great at fleshing out who is town and who is not.

Town: Sudowoodo
Scum: Wisdom, though he is probably being himself, but I am putting him here anyway just because

Some preliminary reads.

Uh to say this is an early townread would be an understatement. Reasons?

Reasons are something you people are not entitled to knowing. Only Sudowoodo is.

In post 26, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 22, Lovebird wrote:

In post 19, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 17, MOMOMEN wrote:okay so i confirmed with kts that this is the best way;

we picked eddie cane. we are a LOUD FLIPLESS Eddie Cane. not gonna fullclaim our ability, but when we die we flip as EDDIE CANE not town nor scum.

Lynch this claim.

Why?

It ain't town. "I don't actually flip when I'm lynched" is like, not town.

Idk. Don't see why.

Right...appeal to authority after giving a bs early read.

VOTE: NicoRobin srs vote.

In post 21, NicoRobin wrote:It would be boring without her around,

Yeah thats totally a factor for deciding who to lynch

/sarcasm

In post 24, Lovebird wrote:Is this person normally this scummy

Sadly, yeah. This isnt even scummy for her standards.

How many votes still left on me?

Cos depending on your view, you just ruined my whole plan. :/

In post 30, Lovebird wrote:

In post 26, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 22, Lovebird wrote:

In post 19, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 17, MOMOMEN wrote:okay so i confirmed with kts that this is the best way;

we picked eddie cane. we are a LOUD FLIPLESS Eddie Cane. not gonna fullclaim our ability, but when we die we flip as EDDIE CANE not town nor scum.

Lynch this claim.

Why?

It ain't town. "I don't actually flip when I'm lynched" is like, not town.

Idk. Don't see why.

Consider the options, then consider why it's being claimed, then consider whether or not it's true, and if it is, what alignment would have that kind of role.

Basically... he is either lying or telling the truth, and either town or scum.

If he's lying scum, the fake claim is obvious motivation wise. Claim it early, it's like a miller claim but doesn't actively impact his game. There will always be people who look at that and go "oh that sounds cool, probably town for claiming it right?" and that's just off mark.
If he's lying town, it's a gambit and he'll inform us later. In that case, my opinion can change when and if I see the gambit do anything. Scum could pretend to be "gambiting" too.
If he's scum and is telling the truth, he's got a positive passive. It means that the town never knows when lylo is, because they do not know how many scum have been lynched by a magnitude of 1 dead body.
If he's town and is telling the truth, same thing, in reverse. He's a town liability.

Do I believe it likely that he is town with that ability? I don't think the odds are high. I know negatives on town exist this game (See: my restriction. I can't move my vote except every 48 hours after I vote) but that negative?

Do I believe he could be gambiting? sure, but in that case, this is my reaction. The other two options are he is scum and if he wants to recant later and talk about why he did it, I'll listen.

I'm not gambitting, and I'm not a liability. You can still cop me while I'm alive. I'm also loud so you know everywhere I target (which is almost nowhere). Anyways, playerlist review time!

i) beeboy
ii) CheekyTeeky
iii) Momrangal
iv) Wisdom
v) MariaR
vi) Lovebird
vii) Lady Lambdadelta
viii) Kokichi Oma
ix) NicoRobin
x) mastina
xi) Sudowoodo [Hydra of Alisae & Pine]
xii) RedFlavor
xiii) MOMOMEN [Hydra of Eddie Cane & Killthestory]
gonna lurk but smart enough
gonna ate but smart enough
gonna be annoying
gonna tunnel but smart enough
friendsish, competence debatable, very swingy
competence debatable
gonna be annoying but smart enough
gonna ate and be annoying but smart enough
gonna do nothing
gonna wallpost more than i'm gonna read but smart enough
friendsish, smart enough
???newbie queue player, looked okay
gonna carry, smart enough

I think its more likely hes town than scum

Well, I am going off for the night, and I'll be very sad if I am lynched while I am asleep. Hopefully, that won't happen.

The ability is a liability to lynch, am I wrong?

Like, this is part 1 of a series of questions that I want to lead to where my mind is on the ability, but let's be clear about how it works.

If we lynch you, you will not flip any alignment, correct? That is a liability due to our impaired ability to know if and when lylo exists.

In post 36, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Claim it early, it's like a miller claim but doesn't actively impact his game.

It is optimal for miller to claim early AS town. This point is NAI. Are you generally of the opinion that miller claims should be lynched D1?

In post 36, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Do I believe it likely that he is town with that ability? I don't think the odds are high. I know negatives on town exist this game (See: my restriction. I can't move my vote except every 48 hours after I vote) but that negative?

You literally just said it's like a miller claim. Millers do and can exist. Odds are angleshooty af in this scenario.

In post 36, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:If he's lying scum, the fake claim is obvious motivation wise. Claim it early, it's like a miller claim but doesn't actively impact his game. There will always be people who look at that and go "oh that sounds cool, probably town for claiming it right?" and that's just off mark.

And there are always people that policy miller like claims, including myself. This is not a miller. We are coppable and targetable by any other actions. You missed the main benefit to claiming this as scum, which would be that when/if we die ours/my reads won't be completely ignored because people will doubt my alignment being antitown.

In post 36, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:If he's lying town, it's a gambit and he'll inform us later. In that case, my opinion can change when and if I see the gambit do anything. Scum could pretend to be "gambiting" too.

The scenario is lying town, you aren't allowed to call me scum in the scenario I'm town.

In post 36, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:If he's scum and is telling the truth, he's got a positive passive. It means that the town never knows when lylo is, because they do not know how many scum have been lynched by a magnitude of 1 dead body.

I guess?

In post 36, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:If he's town and is telling the truth, same thing, in reverse. He's a town liability.

Again, I guess? We aren't ascetic so not really but sure.

In post 36, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Do I believe it likely that he is town with that ability? I don't think the odds are high. I know negatives on town exist this game (See: my restriction. I can't move my vote except every 48 hours after I vote) but that negative?

You're overblowing how negative it is.

In post 40, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:The ability is a liability to lynch, am I wrong?

Like, this is part 1 of a series of questions that I want to lead to where my mind is on the ability, but let's be clear about how it works.

If we lynch you, you will not flip any alignment, correct? That is a liability due to our impaired ability to know if and when lylo exists.

It is, yea. Only on lynch though. It is an impairment, albeit a minor one. I/we plan on obv towning and forcing scum to kill us, so don't worry about that. And of course like I said below we are targetable by every role and when someone's targeted by us they'll know because we are loud. There's more to our role I'm not claiming, but this is the relevant / antitown part.

In post 41, CheekyTeeky wrote:

In post 36, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Claim it early, it's like a miller claim but doesn't actively impact his game.

It is optimal for miller to claim early AS town. This point is NAI. Are you generally of the opinion that miller claims should be lynched D1?

In post 36, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Do I believe it likely that he is town with that ability? I don't think the odds are high. I know negatives on town exist this game (See: my restriction. I can't move my vote except every 48 hours after I vote) but that negative?

You literally just said it's like a miller claim. Millers do and can exist. Odds are angleshooty af in this scenario.

...? this isn't a miller claim though, I said it's like a miller claim in that they are attempting to gain the credability from it.

See, a miller claims early because they can be accidentally copped and then seen as the wrong alignment, so to avoid situatiosn where it's like
"I'm cop you're scum!"
"no I'm a miller!"
"don't believe you!"

Millers claim early.

I am an advocate that millers need to die on the day before lylo, which gives them ample time to show they're townie and lynch scum.

This is not a miller because there is no "cop" analogue that shows him as the wrong alignment. He's not claiming to negate the town liability that his role provides.

Does that make sense?

In post 37, MOMOMEN wrote:I'm not gambitting, and I'm not a liability. You can still cop me while I'm alive. I'm also loud so you know everywhere I target (which is almost nowhere). Anyways, playerlist review time!

i) beeboy
ii) CheekyTeeky
iii) Momrangal
iv) Wisdom
v) MariaR
vi) Lovebird
vii) Lady Lambdadelta
viii) Kokichi Oma
ix) NicoRobin
x) mastina
xi) Sudowoodo [Hydra of Alisae & Pine]
xii) RedFlavor
xiii) MOMOMEN [Hydra of Eddie Cane & Killthestory]
gonna lurk but smart enough
gonna ate but smart enough
gonna be annoying
gonna tunnel but smart enough
friendsish, competence debatable, very swingy
competence debatable
gonna be annoying but smart enough
gonna ate and be annoying but smart enough
gonna do nothing
gonna wallpost more than i'm gonna read but smart enough
friendsish, smart enough
???newbie queue player, looked okay
gonna carry, smart enough

Lol, already met my quota of getting called stupid in this game

In post 43, MOMOMEN wrote:

In post 40, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:The ability is a liability to lynch, am I wrong?

Like, this is part 1 of a series of questions that I want to lead to where my mind is on the ability, but let's be clear about how it works.

If we lynch you, you will not flip any alignment, correct? That is a liability due to our impaired ability to know if and when lylo exists.

It is, yea. Only on lynch though. It is an impairment, albeit a minor one. I/we plan on obv towning and forcing scum to kill us, so don't worry about that. And of course like I said below we are targetable by every role and when someone's targeted by us they'll know because we are loud. There's more to our role I'm not claiming, but this is the relevant / antitown part.

Ok, so then second question:

Town, knowing that your role is anti-town to lynch unless they are certain you are scum aren't likely to lynch you as a result of the claim, generally. Or rather, it's not an optimal EV play to do so, agreed?

So in my mind, it's like, there's a lot of scum motivation to claim that role.

But considering it more, there's also town motivation to claim it, like I dunno I jsut have a hard time believing any townie would be stuck THAT negative a role

In post 45, Lovebird wrote:

In post 37, MOMOMEN wrote:I

Lol, already met my quota of getting called stupid in this game

I would call you stupid if I thought you were stupid. Competence debatable is basically calling you average.

Ok I get ya, can we give him room to play around his claim though? I don't want to narrow focus on Eddie and his claim right now. Things will become more apparent.

In post 47, MOMOMEN wrote:

In post 45, Lovebird wrote:

In post 37, MOMOMEN wrote:I

Lol, already met my quota of getting called stupid in this game

I would call you stupid if I thought you were stupid. Competence debatable is basically calling you average.

Ok