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In post 19, Sando wrote:

In post 2, The Dream Weaver wrote:3. The existence of Daychat is known.

@Mod - do scum have daychat?

In post 18, brassherald wrote:I agree with FA claiming first.

And, duck, why didn't you read the thread before posting when Cerb had already posted his idea?

With confirmed daychat I no longer agree that FA should be first, info out quickly imo.

I voted duckling.

@mod: Shush, don't go quoting your own ambiguous posts at me. We have no reason to assume that abilities won't be available AGAIN in a future phase, so clarification was necessary.

I see absolutely no benefit to the rush of having people express their choices ASAP.

Confirmation of daychat(which we should have assumed anyways means that assuming town doesn't lie, by claiming in advance of the person "most likely" to have been selected by scum(though only marginally more likely than others, as I said before) we give scum the ability to coordinate their claims and say whatever "fits" the situation as revealed by town. If they find out that without their set of votes, their selected teammate would not have won, they can deliberately distance by only having the requisite number of them claim to have voted for that individual. This is, of course, assuming FA is actually scum, or at the least a choice scum decided to make for whatever reasons.

Also, people claiming who they voted for without saying why are being bad and should feel bad for giving out the information most useful to scum, without sharing the information that's useful to town.

I just like kokichi as a person.

It had no real game reasons.

In post 27, Cerberus v666 wrote:If they find out that without their set of votes, their selected teammate would not have won, they can deliberately distance by only having the requisite number of them claim to have voted for that individual. This is, of course, assuming FA is actually scum, or at the least a choice scum decided to make for whatever reasons.

Kinda.

Either we just crapshoot the reveal and rely on the fact that scum want to see that info before they post to determine scumminess or, we set an order and hope we get scum early to nail them on forcing them to be truthful in their votes.

I don't see why one is necessarily better than the other.

Meh to your "give reasons", I'll give my reasons (he's basically the only person I play with a reasonable amount and I'm confident I can read into his actions as leader), but it's not time sensitive like the actual person is.

In post 23, zMuffinMan wrote:i voted myself
then i voted cupcake because i wanted scum to kill him
then i voted myloninja because cupcake is probably scum and i wanted scum to kill myloninja instead
then i voted myself because i read rule 7
then i looked at the player list and realised i didn't give a shit who got voted leader
then i voted myloninja again for shits and giggles

i am completely and utterly astonished that myloninja didnt end up getting voted leader, he was clearly the most qualified candidate

Vote: Cupcake

99% sure he rolled scum this game. i may say this every game but this time i'm not joking

please help me lynch him before he is able to post

VOTE: zmuffinman

This is scum

I voted TW, because I thought there was a good chance other people would as well.

I voted for Gamma Emerald, because Gamma's a pretty cool dude and has a picture of the Lou Ferrigno Hulk as his avatar right now, I believe, so was an obvious choice for a superhero leader.

no-one should correlate these votes yet either, don't make scums job easier than it is.

i thought we were gonna wait for FA, but might as well, i voted muffin coz he had epic reads on my last game with him.

One thing before anyone else reveals:

Should we force all the FA voters to reveal themselves first? Then they have zero info on how many they need to provide to make sure we can't see the lie.

I voted Cerberus for what should be self evident reasons.

Gut reaction to FA being chosen is that we have a WIFOM loop: either FA is scum or scum picked FA because FA was a safe pick to pile votes onto.

Sakura Hana gets first serious FOS from me.

In post 37, Drixx wrote:Sakura Hana gets first serious FOS from me.

I think I understand why on this, but just to be sure, could you explain it please?

pretty sure scum (at least if theyre smart) just voted whoever they thought they might vote as town and the majority of votes just happened to land on FA

i doubt they piled onto FA

i doubt they aren't going to truthfully claim who they voted

any smart scum would be playing the long game; whoever gets voted D1 doesn't matter (except insofar as you want to get into the league of extraordinary gentlemuffins). sac the D1 leader position (if scum gets voted, it's good for them, but if not, it doesn't matter), manipulate reads in such a way that you can vote scum on later nights is the long term plan for any smart scum team. there was obviously going to be a mass claim of votes; better to just be truthful about it D1 and manipulate shit later...

In post 31, BBmolla wrote:

In post 23, zMuffinMan wrote:i voted myself
then i voted cupcake because i wanted scum to kill him
then i voted myloninja because cupcake is probably scum and i wanted scum to kill myloninja instead
then i voted myself because i read rule 7
then i looked at the player list and realised i didn't give a shit who got voted leader
then i voted myloninja again for shits and giggles

i am completely and utterly astonished that myloninja didnt end up getting voted leader, he was clearly the most qualified candidate

Vote: Cupcake

99% sure he rolled scum this game. i may say this every game but this time i'm not joking

please help me lynch him before he is able to post

VOTE: zmuffinman

This is scum

sheeping

I'm also V/LA for the next two months or until [REDACTED] reaches completion, whichever occurs first.

In post 39, zMuffinMan wrote:pretty sure scum (at least if theyre smart) just voted whoever they thought they might vote as town and the majority of votes just happened to land on FA

i doubt they piled onto FA

i doubt they aren't going to truthfully claim who they voted

any smart scum would be playing the long game; whoever gets voted D1 doesn't matter (except insofar as you want to get into the league of extraordinary gentlemuffins). sac the D1 leader position (if scum gets voted, it's good for them, but if not, it doesn't matter), manipulate reads in such a way that you can vote scum on later nights is the long term plan for any smart scum team. there was obviously going to be a mass claim of votes; better to just be truthful about it D1 and manipulate shit later...

Congrats you get my first vote. I usually hang on to this a while longer.

VOTE: zMuffinMan


While we don't know wether or not scum got to talk pregame during voting, your post here reads like you know they didn't.

I voted for the goatness and I'm glad she is the leader

not that I really know what a leader is for

hi, I'm town, nice to meet you

In post 13, the worst wrote:should we claim who we voted for?
also thoughts on the fact D1 elected person probably has reasonably high scum equity?

like I talked myself out of it because surely that'd be too obvious but unless she got 2 votes and everyone else got 1 it's a question



ftr I voted Nancy Drew 39

I'm not sure if the leader has reasonably high scum equity because that suggests all scum voted as a pack for a scum team mate, which may not be true for associative reasons once everyone declares who they voted for.

In post 27, Cerberus v666 wrote:@mod: Shush, don't go quoting your own ambiguous posts at me. We have no reason to assume that abilities won't be available AGAIN in a future phase, so clarification was necessary.

I see absolutely no benefit to the rush of having people express their choices ASAP.

Confirmation of daychat(which we should have assumed anyways means that assuming town doesn't lie, by claiming in advance of the person "most likely" to have been selected by scum(though only marginally more likely than others, as I said before) we give scum the ability to coordinate their claims and say whatever "fits" the situation as revealed by town. If they find out that without their set of votes, their selected teammate would not have won, they can deliberately distance by only having the requisite number of them claim to have voted for that individual. This is, of course, assuming FA is actually scum, or at the least a choice scum decided to make for whatever reasons.

Also, people claiming who they voted for without saying why are being bad and should feel bad for giving out the information most useful to scum, without sharing the information that's useful to town.

I voted FA cause she is awesome. is that useful to town? is any response useful to town, really?

In post 39, zMuffinMan wrote:pretty sure scum (at least if theyre smart) just voted whoever they thought they might vote as town and the majority of votes just happened to land on FA

i doubt they piled onto FA

i doubt they aren't going to truthfully claim who they voted

any smart scum would be playing the long game; whoever gets voted D1 doesn't matter (except insofar as you want to get into the league of extraordinary gentlemuffins). sac the D1 leader position (if scum gets voted, it's good for them, but if not, it doesn't matter), manipulate reads in such a way that you can vote scum on later nights is the long term plan for any smart scum team. there was obviously going to be a mass claim of votes; better to just be truthful about it D1 and manipulate shit later...

at any rate, I agree with this. I think scum pack voting a scumbuddy is awfully unusual here. they might have done that with FA especifically since she had a high chance of being elected leader, but it's not something we can guess and I'm sure scum can see in advance that people pressuring them to claim their votes might make them look bad once the associative reads kick in.

In post 45, Toranaga wrote:I voted FA cause she is awesome. is that useful to town? is any response useful to town, really?

Now? Not really. Later, maybe. Can't see how it hurts.

I like the people who voted muffin becuase their posts are a little weird and especially the second one can look like TMI, and I think the votes are pure reactions to things these people (katsuki, bbmolla and chickadee) find scummy, so I'm fine townreading all of them as much as it's possible this early.

I think the better practice would be to claim who you voted for, the reason and your favorite superhero.

Like me, I like Green Lantern, specifically, the one played by Ryan Reynolds. That movie is like Citizen Kane, but better.