Once more, a mastina 13-player pre-designed setup

[schadd_]

anyway /pass with odd-night [...] role

[implosion]

Good chance this will go into signups pretty soon - can we get role PMs?

[implosion]

Actually. It occurs somehow that I didn't realize earlier: PT cop wasn't whitelisted, traffic analyst was. And I realize now that I said I would whitelist PT cop but never did, and now I kiiiiind of don't want to at this moment because people may speculate that it's because of this setup when it's running and assume the roleclaim is real as a result. I might anyway

Swapping to traffic analyst if we have to here shouldn't massively impact this setup's balance, since it's a scum role here and the most impactful balance difference is being unable to find the last scum. But it does impact it some.

[implosion]

after about three more minutes of thinking i have realized the solution:

i will whitelist PT cop now

this setup will run after the other 13-p setup that is also ready to run.

and things will look ever so slightly less sketchy to the incredibly theoretic incredibly observant onlooker.

nothing to see here. if you are reading this comment after this thread has become public you can pm me the magic phrase "vegetable soup" to be eligible for a free discount on an NRG membership, limited time offer expires april 2023 void if listmodship changes.

[schadd_]

is this discount retroactive

[mastina]

Good chance this will go into signups pretty soon - can we get role PMs?

Once I'm home, yes!

[mastina]

Town Mason

Welcome,

Playername

.
You are a

Town

Mason

.

You know that your masonry, comprised of

X

, is confirmed to be town-aligned.

At any time, you may talk with your masonry in this private topic.

You win if all threats to

the

town

are eliminated, and at least one

town

player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is here.

Town Neighbor

Welcome,

Playername

.
You are a

Town

Neighbor

.

At any time, you may talk with your neighborhood in this private topic.

You win if all threats to

the

town

are eliminated, and at least one

town

player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is here.

Town Neighborizer

Welcome,

Playername

.
You are a

Town

Neighborizer

.

During the night, you may target a player. Should your action succeed, they will be added to your neighborhood.

At any time, you may talk with your neighborhood in this private topic.

You win if all threats to

the

town

are eliminated, and at least one

town

player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is here.

Recruitment Message

You have been recruited to this neighborhood by

playername

.

Town Odd-Night Loud Fruit Vendor, Even-Night Motion Detector

Welcome,

Playername

.
You are a

Town

Odd-night

Loud

Fruit Vendor

,

Even-night

Motion Detector

.

During the night, on odd nights, you may target a player. Should your action succeed, they will be told "you have received a piece of fruit!".
They will also be told "

[Your name]

visited you last night".

During the night, on even nights, you may target a player. You will receive results in the form of "You sensed motion", "You did not sense motion", or "

[No Result]

".

You win if all threats to

the

town

are eliminated, and at least one

town

player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is here.

Vanilla Townie

Welcome,

Playername

.
You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

Your only weapons are your voice and vote.

You win if all threats to

the

town

are eliminated, and at least one

town

player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is here.

Mafia Goon

Welcome,

Playername

.
You are a

Mafia

Goon

.

Your only weapons are your voice and vote.

Your team is comprised of

X

(

Goon

) and

Y

(

PT Cop

).

At any time, you may talk with your scumteam in this private topic.

During the night, your faction may name one of your members, and target a player. Should they succeed, they will attempt to nightkill that player. The person performing the nightkill may not both action and kill.

You win if nothing prevents

the

Mafia

from holding majority, and at least one

mafia

player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is here.

Mafia PT Cop

Welcome,

Playername

.
You are a

Mafia

PT Cop

.

During the night, you may target a player. You will receive results in the form of, "

Has No PT Access

",

Has PT Access

", or "

[No Result]

".

Your team is comprised of

X

and

Y

, both

Goons

.

At any time, you may talk with your scumteam in this private topic.

During the night, your faction may name one of your members, and target a player. Should they succeed, they will attempt to nightkill that player. The person performing the nightkill may not both action and kill.

You win if nothing prevents

the

Mafia

from holding majority, and at least one

mafia

player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is here.

Spoiler: Code

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[area=Town Mason]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=green]Town[/color] [wiki=Mason][color=green]Mason[/color][/wiki][/b].

You know that your masonry, comprised of [b]X[/b], is confirmed to be town-aligned.

At any time, you may talk with your masonry in [url=link]this private topic[/url].

You win if all threats to [color=green]the [b]town[/b][/color] are eliminated, and at least one [color=green][b]town[/b][/color] player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is [url=link]here[/url].[/area]

[area=Town Neighbor]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=green]Town[/color] [wiki=Neighbor][color=green]Neighbor[/color][/wiki][/b].

At any time, you may talk with your neighborhood in [url=link]this private topic[/url].

You win if all threats to [color=green]the [b]town[/b][/color] are eliminated, and at least one [color=green][b]town[/b][/color] player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is [url=link]here[/url].[/area]

[area=Town Neighborizer]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=green]Town[/color] [wiki=Neighborizer][color=green]Neighborizer[/color][/wiki][/b].

During the night, you may target a player. Should your action succeed, they will be added to your neighborhood.

At any time, you may talk with your neighborhood in [url=link]this private topic[/url].

You win if all threats to [color=green]the [b]town[/b][/color] are eliminated, and at least one [color=green][b]town[/b][/color] player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is [url=link]here[/url].[/area][mech=Recruitment Message]You have been recruited to [url=link]this neighborhood[/url] by [b]playername[/b].[/mech]

[area=Town Odd-Night Loud Fruit Vendor, Even-Night Motion Detector]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=green]Town[/color] [wiki=Even/Odd Night][color=green]Odd-night[/color][/wiki] [wiki=Loud][color=green]Loud[/color][/wiki] [wiki=Fruit Vendor][color=green]Fruit Vendor[/color][/wiki], [wiki=Even/Odd Night][color=green]Even-night[/color][/wiki] [wiki=Motion Detector][color=green]Motion Detector[/color][/wiki][/b].

During the night, on odd nights, you may target a player. Should your action succeed, they will be told "you have received a piece of fruit!".
They will also be told "[b][Your name][/b] visited you last night".

During the night, on even nights, you may target a player. You will receive results in the form of "You sensed motion", "You did not sense motion", or "[b][No Result][/b]".

You win if all threats to [color=green]the [b]town[/b][/color] are eliminated, and at least one [color=green][b]town[/b][/color] player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is [url=link]here[/url].[/area]

[area=Vanilla Townie]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=green]Vanilla Townie[/color][/b].

Your only weapons are your voice and vote.

You win if all threats to [color=green]the [b]town[/b][/color] are eliminated, and at least one [color=green][b]town[/b][/color] player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is [url=link]here[/url].[/area]

[area=Mafia Goon]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=red]Mafia[/color] [wiki=Goon][color=red]Goon[/color][/wiki][/b].

Your only weapons are your voice and vote.

Your team is comprised of [b]X[/b] ([wiki=Goon][color=red]Goon[/color][/wiki]) and [b]Y[/b] ([wiki=PT Cop][color=red]PT Cop[/color][/wiki]).

At any time, you may talk with your scumteam in [url=link]this private topic[/url].

During the night, your faction may name one of your members, and target a player. Should they succeed, they will attempt to [wiki=Nightkill]nightkill[/wiki] that player. The person performing the nightkill may not both action and kill.

You win if nothing prevents [color=red]the [b]Mafia[/b][/color] from holding majority, and at least one [color=red][b]mafia[/b][/color] player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is [url=link]here[/url].[/area]

[area=Mafia PT Cop]Welcome, [b]Playername[/b].
You are a [b][color=red]Mafia[/color] [wiki=PT Cop][color=red]PT Cop[/color][/wiki][/b].

During the night, you may target a player. You will receive results in the form of, "[b][color=green]Has No PT Access[/color][/b]", [b][color=red]Has PT Access[/color][/b]", or "[b][No Result][/b]".

Your team is comprised of [b]X[/b] and [b]Y[/b], both [wiki=Goon][color=red]Goons[/color][/wiki].

At any time, you may talk with your scumteam in [url=link]this private topic[/url].

During the night, your faction may name one of your members, and target a player. Should they succeed, they will attempt to [wiki=Nightkill]nightkill[/wiki] that player. The person performing the nightkill may not both action and kill.

You win if nothing prevents [color=red]the [b]Mafia[/b][/color] from holding majority, and at least one [color=red][b]mafia[/b][/color] player lives.

Confirm via PM.

Game thread is [url=link]here[/url].[/area]

[Elbirn]

Oh cool this is a thing. Hi all and thanks for your time and all you do and such!

I have a slew of really dumb questions if anyone has the time, this is my first time moderating and I want to be sure everything goes smoothly. A lot of this will be self evident and hell I'll answer it myself most times, but I'd rather ask extraneous questions now than not ask and look foolish later.

First off, I can guess that this setup has gone through a lot of changes over the past few months, but the setup as its shown in the OP is the final product? There are sample role PMs here for fruit vendors and all manner of things but I dont need that, just the roles as shown in the opening post?

I also want to confirm I've got action resolution worked out beforehand so I'm not like "uhhhhh what do" if something weird happens. Heres what I'm assuming

1. Neighborizer targets someone, Scum shoots neighborizer: target added to neighborhood, neighborizer dead

2. Neighborizer targets someone not yet in a pt, scum PT cop targets that same someone: positive result for PT cop

Do I have that right? I'm presuming that kills generally happen last, and actions that modify other actions, roles, or otherwise muddy the waters get resolved first. I dont see any other interactions here with this being such a simple setup but if I've missed something lemme know

Thanks again m8s you're all rockstars

[schadd_]

i dont see it formally anywhere so the final setup is:
town:
2 masons
2 neighbors
1 odd-night loud fruit vendor even-night motion detector
5 VTs
scum:
2 goons
1 PT cop

so yes the big odd even monstrosity ended up replacing a VT

your resolution questions:
1. yup
2. assuming you mean someone about to get neighborized - yes it would get a positive, generally investigative roles happen "last", which is to say they take into account things that happened that night (for watcher and tracker this is intuitive)

[Elbirn]

i dont see it formally anywhere so the final setup is:
town:
2 masons
2 neighbors
1 odd-night loud fruit vendor even-night motion detector
5 VTs
scum:
2 goons
1 PT cop

so yes the big odd even monstrosity ended up replacing a VT

Hmmm okay well in that case I must ask how best to handle the loud fruit vendor. Do I send the fruit vendors target 1 PM at day start stating (paraphrasing): "You've received fruit! Also player x did something loud at you." Or do I send two separate PMs? I feel like the former makes it too apparent that the actions were linked, which doesnt seem desirable

[schadd_]

what i would do is one pm called "night 1 results" with:
-you have received fruit!
-[player] has visited you last night
in randomized order. i think its reasonably clear that they're separate things with that, and like people will probably think "oh loud fruit vendor" either way

incidentally in the past i have given this message except it was from two different roles and also i told the player his results in person

[mastina]

The final setup is:
Mason x2
Neighbor x2
Neighborizer
Odd Night Loud Fruit Vendor, Even Night Motion Detector
VT x4

Vs.
Mafia PT cop
Goon x2.

The role pm formatting can be found in 31 inside the Code spoiler.

[mastina]

More when I get home from work; don't send roles before I can verify that you got them all, since it seems that you missed one.

[Elbirn]

Good catch, I had to read schadds post vs. Yours for a good minute to realize that the neighborizer was missing from his D:

Also I think I need privileges to do mod stuff and thread creations? First time moderating. Does implosion need to do that, cuz I'll PM him directly

[schadd_]

oh heck my bad sorry

yes implo gives you modding priv

[implosion]

Yeah I will give you modding privileges when your game is filled.

If you wanna start setting up private topics in advance, I can give them to you in advance.

[mastina]

First off, saving a lot of time: read This page.

It lists the action priority. So yes.
Neighborizer is shot? Target's still added to the neighborhood.
Neighborizer targets someone not in a PT, PT cop targets that player? Positive on "has a pt".

[mastina]

what i would do is one pm called "night 1 results" with:
-you have received fruit!
-[player] has visited you last night
in randomized order. i think its reasonably clear that they're separate things with that, and like people will probably think "oh loud fruit vendor" either way

incidentally in the past i have given this message except it was from two different roles and also i told the player his results in person

This is also what I do, although I personally always list the Loud part last, regardless.

I gave formatting in the role pm list I believe, but the way I'd do it is indeed,
"You have received a piece of fruit!
You know that Playername targeted you last night."

[Elbirn]

Yeah I will give you modding privileges when your game is filled.

If you wanna start setting up private topics in advance, I can give them to you in advance.

That's okay, if normal procedure is not until game is filled I'll wait. Everyone seems a bit shy about signing up at the moment anyway

First off, saving a lot of time: read This page.

It lists the action priority. So yes.
Neighborizer is shot? Target's still added to the neighborhood.
Neighborizer targets someone not in a PT, PT cop targets that player? Positive on "has a pt".

Thanks, I've read and think I get NAR I'm just...timid/paranoid and want to be overly sure I dont do the wrong thing and yall are experts. I think after doing this first game I'll have ~☆confidence☆~

[mastina]

Also, a personal golden rule of mine when resolving night actions: when in doubt, read the written wording of the role PMs in question.

In this case, if you verbatim use the roles I wrote, the Loud Fruit Vendor PM tells you how to give the result:
They're told, "You have received a piece of fruit!"
They are also told (also, in this case, implying in addition to, which I would interpret as being added on, thus, after, but in the same PM), "[Name of fruit vendor player] visited you last night."

[Elbirn]

Is there an established naming convention for masonries/hoods? I'm not dumb enough to name them like neighborhood 1 and neighborhood 2, or "neighborizer player's neighborhood", but uh...yeah idk just a thought I had.

I thought about being cute and naming my neighborhoods randomly chosen street names, maybe a "Main Street: Neighborhood PT" or "The Cul-De-Sac: Neighborhood PT"

[implosion]

No real convention. Just don't name it something that implies things people aren't supposed to know, as you mentioned already.

[Elbirn]

More when I get home from work; don't send roles before I can verify that you got them all, since it seems that you missed one.

So I've created a mod PT and added you all to it per Implosion's directions via PM; I've held off on sending role PMs per your instructions here, if you wanna double check what I've got for the setup before I start rolling everything out

Mini Normal 2052 Mod PT

[northsidegal]

can anyone here help me out with this? did mini normal 2052

actually have

two different people as neighbors? from what i wrote in the mini archives and from post 0 of the thread itself, it looks like there was only one "neighbor" role and five VTs where the setup calls for two and four respectively.

[schadd_]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=78233

looks like overki11 accidentally flipped vt at endgame