northsidegal's Mini Normal Review, March (barely) 2019

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok what I'm saying is

It would be nice.to have exactly 1 false positive for.the complex FV

[northsidegal]

i could potentially be included to turn a goon into a backup gunsmith for like literally no reason

[RadiantCowbells]

I also think it would be a really good.idea to make.sure.the loyal FV knows they can't be roleblocked because if scum talks them into thinking roleblocker or something, town loses a lot of their equity

[northsidegal]

It would be nice.to have exactly 1 false positive for.the complex FV

that's what i was thinking, i guess hider is still somewhat powerful because:

hider claims fruit -> mafia shoot hider -> hider is hidden and survives

not sure if that's an interaction we want or we literally just want a completely useless role to be a red herring

[RadiantCowbells]

i could potentially be included to turn a goon into a backup gunsmith for like literally no reason

I think backup x is a better dud role.here than hider

[RadiantCowbells]

If the town fv targets the hider town just loses

[northsidegal]

why? hider is only protected from kills, not asceticized

[RadiantCowbells]

Also I think given that it's most of towns power the FV should absolutely know there's nothing that can interfere with them. If they get convinced otherwise town becomes pretty weak.

@31 that's news to me

[northsidegal]

also i think i'm fine with the potential of scum doing something with regards to lying about FV being roleblocked? like, that's either just good play from scum if they somehow talk their way into it or a big commitment if they fakeclaim it or something.

[BNL]

Oh I also thought a Hider commutes

[RadiantCowbells]

also i think i'm fine with the potential of scum doing something with regards to lying about FV being roleblocked? like, that's either just good play from scum if they somehow talk their way into it or a big commitment if they fakeclaim it or something.

If this successfully happens the game is just over though.

If all of town power is gonna be in one role it has to be consistent or it opens massive swing

[northsidegal]

so like we're at:

Mafia Complex Fruit Vendor
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon

Town Loyal Fruit Vendor
Town Mason
Town Mason
Some dummy role
VT * 6

[RadiantCowbells]

I really feel like the FV should know their results are 100% consistent. I think not including that makes the setup one that scum will win quite frequently

[BNL]

I feel like the Loyal FV is probably not going to claim a fruit if they get one?

[northsidegal]

also i think i'm fine with the potential of scum doing something with regards to lying about FV being roleblocked? like, that's either just good play from scum if they somehow talk their way into it or a big commitment if they fakeclaim it or something.

If this successfully happens the game is just over though.

If all of town power is gonna be in one role it has to be consistent or it opens massive swing

what are you envisioning for how scum would go about this? through a fakeclaim, or just through convincing?

presumably anything scum would do would happen after the loyal FV claims, so i think it would be viewed fairly suspiciously, especially if it's coming after a "guilty"

[RadiantCowbells]

what are you envisioning for how scum would go about this? through a fakeclaim, or just through convincing?

presumably anything scum would do would happen after the loyal FV claims, so i think it would be viewed fairly suspiciously, especially if it's coming after a "guilty"

Just through convincing.
For this setup to be balanced imo the fruit vendor needs to.be a cop. I think a good scum player getting targeted talks their way out of it quite often and town just loses.

[RadiantCowbells]

But I mean they can claim ascetic, or.rolestoppwd, or w/e

[northsidegal]

it's not like i hate the idea of informing the lfv, i think that it would just take a bit away from the simplicity of the setup and i'm not sure it's entirely necessary.

i also think it would probably be a pretty unenjoyable situation for scum if they were to simply randomly fakeclaim a blocking role and got guiltied because of it. a solution to that is to inform the mafia that someone is informed of etc. etc. but that just kind of exacerbates the problem

[northsidegal]

what do you think of hider given that it just is protected and doesn't commute?

[RadiantCowbells]

Without that town is going into this blind and it makes it pretty scumsided for them to be able to control the narrative.

You could always just make it public info that no such roles exist?

[RadiantCowbells]

Fine I guess but pretty obnoxious for scum to deal with

[northsidegal]

like, i don't know. would you really believe the guy randomly claiming ascetic on like day 3 after the LFV outs like that? or if he claimed to have roleblocked the LFV? a scumbuddy could fakeclaim something too, but then that ties them together in a pretty dangerous move.

Fine I guess but pretty obnoxious for scum to deal with

yeah, maybe not something that's actually fun. (that being said, being the designated "you're here to receive mafia fruit and get shot" role is probably also not fun)

[RadiantCowbells]

I wouldn't but I'm good at mafia.

I think in a solid 33% of games town will get talked out of lynching the first guilty

[RadiantCowbells]

I think confirming it takes a lot of the potential for town to be bad in an inexperienced sense as opposed to bad scumhunting if that makes sense?

[northsidegal]

ehhhh.

i really feel like this is a scenario where i would actually be One Of Those People and say "this is too much hand holding". i don't know. like, i really feel like this isn't as easy to pull off as you're making it out to be, and if someone were to pull it off that they deserve to not instantly be confscummed or something by something they had no reliable way to predict?