GuyInFreezer's Mini Normal Review, April 2019

[implosion]

sure, but if mastina disagrees then gif is only strictly beholden to her

[RadiantCowbells]

i will say the level of complexity of the setup is bonkers and i don't think it belongs in the normal queue

but if mastina passes it obviously gogogo

[mastina]

hmm

as a secondary reviewer should i do something here

Well your feedback helps refine my thoughts here. For instance, thinking that the town might have one too many fruit vendors (I'm not opposed to having multiple fruit vendor visitors in a game) right now.

Or maybe dropping the enabler altogether, so that it's something there the whole game.

I don't think that the setup needs fundamental revision because it in spite of being thematic is within the basic range of a Normal. (For instance, I ran a Normal with four town JOATs and a scum JOAT: thematic, but still Normal. That's what I mean.)

I do think that the finer points of it, the details, could be tweaked, and that's what you can help with.

I'm fine with thematic, as long as it's not TOO themed. Thematic can give the game a flair; THEMED belongs in a different queue.

The game as is, I'd call closer to thematic than Themed, but I'm still a bit hesitant. Also, balance doesn't quite seem "on the mark", even if it's close.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't want the thing to stay whole game because I don't want to make tracker useless permanently.
I thought about dropping one town fruit vendor but since I made one of them mason 2:1 alignment ratio from unconfirmed satisfies without dropping one. (Kinda like how 3-people neighborhood works, ya know)

[mastina]

So, would this be what we're working with then?:
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Town Mason
Town Mason Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Visitor
Town Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Visitor
Town Tracker
Town Doctor
Town 1-shot Vigilante


vs

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Nurse
Mafia Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Fruit Vendor Enabler Visitor Enabler


If so, then I'm okay with the Normalcy and would just need to get further refinement; since the 1x vig would get the game on evens unless the doctor/nurse protected successfully (an event unlikely to happen), I'd recommend bumping the vig up to 2x for balance.

With that change, I'd call it as close to the mark as you'll get; you've got a weak investigative, a decent protective, a decent killing role, and masons, against a now-not-useless Neapolitan investigative, Enabler that weakens the tracker, and Nurse.

It'd just be refining the details as I mentioned;
Is both the fruit vend and visit compulsive, or is only the fruit vend compulsive?

[implosion]

The fruit vendor visitors should be able to target the same player with both abilities, right? that's how multiroles work, right?
i know i'm the one who's supposed to answer this but

[GuyInFreezer]

The fruit vendor visitors should be able to target the same player with both abilities, right? that's how multiroles work, right?
i know i'm the one who's supposed to answer this but

Yes

[GuyInFreezer]

Is both the fruit vend and visit compulsive, or is only the fruit vend compulsive?

Both

[GuyInFreezer]

I'd recommend bumping the vig up to 2x for balance.

I missed this tidbit.
2SV is fine with me.

[mastina]

Is both the fruit vend and visit compulsive, or is only the fruit vend compulsive?

Both

Alright, then, for clarity I'd recommend specifying that in the wording:

Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Town Mason
Town Mason Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor
Town Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor
Town Tracker
Town Doctor
Town 1-shot Vigilante


vs

Mafia Neapolitan
Mafia Nurse
Mafia Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Fruit Vendor Enabler Visitor Enabler

[mastina]

Mafia Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Fruit Vendor Enabler Visitor Enabler

And speaking of which: is the lack of 'Compulsive Visitor' here intentional?

[GuyInFreezer]

Yes it's intentional.

[mastina]

Alright, good, just checking!

[implosion]

So this is done?

[mastina]

So this is done?

No we need role PMs and such, but the balance/Normalcy is.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh I'll get those done by tomorrow.

[GuyInFreezer]

role pm

Role:

Vanilla Townie

Description:

You have no special abilities

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor

Description:

During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
During the night, you must also visit a player. Your visit does not do anything.

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Mason Compulsive Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor

Description:

During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
During the night, you must also visit a player. Your visit does not do anything.
You are a Mason with

Name,

whom are confirmed as

Town

.
PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Mason

Description:

You are a Mason with

Name,

whom are confirmed as

Town

.
PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Tracker

Description:

During the night, you may target a player. You will learn whom your target visited.

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Doctor

Description:

During the night, you may target a player. You will protect your target from a nightkill.

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town 2-shot Vigilante

Description:

Twice per game, during the night, you may kill a player.

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Mafia Neapolitan

Description:

During the night, you may check a player to learn whether they are

Vanilla Townie

.
You may perform a nightkill instead of using your ability.
If you are the last remaining member of your faction, you may use your ability and nightkill simultaneously.
You are

Mafia

with

Names

PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when your faction controls half of the town.

role pm

Role:

Mafia Nurse

Description:

When a doctor is killed at any time during this game, you will inherit his full role. This can happen only once during the game.
You may perform a nightkill instead of using your ability.
If you are the last remaining member of your faction, you may use your ability and nightkill simultaneously.
You are

Mafia

with

Names

PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when your faction controls half of the town.

role pm

Role:

Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor Fruit Vendor Enabler Visitor Enabler

Description:

During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
If you are removed from the game, the role [Fruit Vendor, Visitor] in the game will stop functioning.
You may perform a nightkill in addition to your role simultaneously.
You are

Mafia

with

Names

PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when your faction controls half of the town.

[GuyInFreezer]

role pm

Role:

Vanilla Townie

Description:

You have no special abilities

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor

Description:

During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
During the night, you must also visit a player. Your visit does not do anything.

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Mason Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor

Description:

During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
During the night, you must also visit a player. Your visit does not do anything.
You are a Mason with

Name,

whom are confirmed as

Town

.
PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Mason

Description:

You are a Mason with

Name,

whom are confirmed as

Town

.
PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Tracker

Description:

During the night, you may target a player. You will learn whom your target visited.

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Doctor

Description:

During the night, you may target a player. You will protect your target from a nightkill.

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town 2-shot Vigilante

Description:

Twice per game, during the night, you may kill a player.

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Mafia Neapolitan

Description:

During the night, you may check a player to learn whether they are

Vanilla Townie

.
You may perform a nightkill instead of using your ability.
If you are the last remaining member of your faction, you may use your ability and nightkill simultaneously.
You are

Mafia

with

Names

PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when your faction controls half of the town.

role pm

Role:

Mafia Nurse

Description:

When a doctor is killed at any time during this game, you will inherit his full role. This can happen only once during the game.
You may perform a nightkill instead of using your ability.
If you are the last remaining member of your faction, you may use your ability and nightkill simultaneously.
You are

Mafia

with

Names

PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when your faction controls half of the town.

role pm

Role:

Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor Fruit Vendor Enabler Visitor Enabler

Description:

During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
If you are removed from the game, the role [Fruit Vendor, Visitor] in the game will stop functioning.
You may perform a nightkill in addition to your role simultaneously.
You are

Mafia

with

Names

PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when your faction controls half of the town.

[mastina]

If you are the last remaining member of your faction, you may use your ability and nightkill simultaneously.

I'm not sure if this is Normal or not. Gimme a lil' bit to check on that.

[implosion]

It's not.

[mastina]

It's not.

Well that saves me the effort of looking.

Soyeah, need to change that.

[GuyInFreezer]

Wait its not normal to do that?
Ok will change

[GuyInFreezer]

role pm

Role:

Vanilla Townie

Description:

You have no special abilities

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor

Description:

During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
During the night, you must also visit a player. Your visit does not do anything.

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Mason Multitasking Compulsive-Fruit Vendor Compulsive-Visitor

Description:

During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
During the night, you must also visit a player. Your visit does not do anything.
You are a Mason with

Name,

whom are confirmed as

Town

.
PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Mason

Description:

You are a Mason with

Name,

whom are confirmed as

Town

.
PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Tracker

Description:

During the night, you may target a player. You will learn whom your target visited.

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town Doctor

Description:

During the night, you may target a player. You will protect your target from a nightkill.

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Town 2-shot Vigilante

Description:

Twice per game, during the night, you may kill a player.

Win Condition:

You win when all Mafia members are eliminated.

role pm

Role:

Mafia Neapolitan

Description:

During the night, you may check a player to learn whether they are

Vanilla Townie

.
You may perform a nightkill instead of using your ability.
You are

Mafia

with

Names

PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when your faction controls half of the town.

role pm

Role:

Mafia Nurse

Description:

When a doctor is killed at any time during this game, you will inherit his full role. This can happen only once during the game.
You may perform a nightkill instead of using your ability.
You are

Mafia

with

Names

PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when your faction controls half of the town.

role pm

Role:

Mafia Multitasking Compulsive Fruit Vendor Fruit Vendor Enabler Visitor Enabler

Description:

During the night, you must give a fruit to a different player. The targeted player will be notified.
If you are removed from the game, the role [Fruit Vendor, Visitor] in the game will stop functioning.
You may perform a nightkill in addition to your role simultaneously.
You are

Mafia

with

Names

PT: link

Win Condition:

You win when your faction controls half of the town.

I was waiting on replies until I realized that I probably have to change my role PM to reflect the changes first.

[mastina]

Final thing to ask for and then we're good; can I get the formatting of your Tracker/Neapolitan result PMs? (Including a hypothetical No Result PM even though this setup doesn't have a way for that result to exist.) Want to make sure they're Normal, just in case.

[GuyInFreezer]

[Target] visited [Player]/No Result.

[Target] is (not) a Vanilla Townie/No Result.