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Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:18 am
by Bitmap
OH WAIT YOU KNOW WHAT I WANNA CHANGE MY CHOICES NOW BRB

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:30 am
by Kagami
I trust GIF to ensure that Fate is the best girl.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:37 am
by popsofctown
I have become totally fascinated about thinking of characters that do/don't fit these rules.
Questions:
Does "girl" imply youth, do the characters need to be children or at least teenagers?
Does the character need to be human before and after transformation?
Does the character need to be female before and after transformation?
Does the transformation need to be voluntary in the canon?
Does the transformation need to be temporary in the canon?
If the transformation is explained by sci-fi elements rather than magic is it disqualified (I feel like superheroes would be lame)?
Can the character be evil?

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:38 am
by Bitmap
In post 27, popsofctown wrote: Does the character need to be female before and after transformation?
I asked this and GIF said that it doesn't have to be before transformation.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:47 am
by popsofctown
So it can be a boy that becomes a girl sometimes?

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:55 am
by Kagami
I mean, the strict definition would be fairly straightforward: Did the creator intend for this to be a "magical girl?"

Cardcaptor Sakura is sort of obviously a magical girl, but doesn't fit GiF's definition as she doesn't properly transform. Madoka girls are all also clearly magical girls, but also don't transform outside of their initial magical girlification.

Ranma (the only one who I can vaguely imagine as a boy magically transforming into a girl?) is clearly not a magical girl.

I imagine that GiF will be pretty lenient on that sort of thing, though, as there really aren't too many proper magical girls without having the entire cast of sailor moon.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:02 am
by Sakura Hana
In post 30, Kagami wrote:Ranma (the only one who I can vaguely imagine as a boy magically transforming into a girl?) is clearly not a magical girl.
The main character from Kämpfer, probably.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:03 am
by Bitmap
I dont want a game full of Pretty Cure and Sailor Moon only please.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:04 am
by Bitmap
In post 29, popsofctown wrote:So it can be a boy that becomes a girl sometimes?
I think final transformation has to be a girl.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:05 am
by Sakura Hana
But as far as i recall, he likes it when people like to challenge "Would this fit as a magical girl in your game" kinda thing when people make choices. This game's been run twice before already, and one of them had Sakura Kinomoto on it, so she clearly fits.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:08 am
by popsofctown
In post 30, Kagami wrote:I mean, the strict definition would be fairly straightforward: Did the creator intend for this to be a "magical girl?"
Even if you prefer J.K. Rowling tweets over the concept of "The Author is Dead", the idea that a character only fits a trope if the author was aware of the trope when he wrote the character and specifically designed in an attempt to fit that trope is logically absurd. By that definition, Shakespeare didn't write a single "tragic hero", because he hadn't created the trope yet.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:09 am
by popsofctown
In post 33, Bitmap wrote:
In post 29, popsofctown wrote:So it can be a boy that becomes a girl sometimes?
I think final transformation has to be a girl.
Ok.
My first pick is GuyInFreezer.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:12 am
by Sakura Hana

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:15 am
by Jingle
In post 27, popsofctown wrote:I have become totally fascinated about thinking of characters that do/don't fit these rules.
Questions:
Does "girl" imply youth, do the characters need to be children or at least teenagers?
Does the character need to be human before and after transformation?
Does the character need to be female before and after transformation?
Does the transformation need to be voluntary in the canon?
Does the transformation need to be temporary in the canon?
If the transformation is explained by sci-fi elements rather than magic is it disqualified (I feel like superheroes would be lame)?
Can the character be evil?
I suggest looking at the OP. The first three are soft yes's in that I'd ask FG if you want permission to bend the rules there.

Nothing is said about temporary or voluntary transformations. Nothing is said about technology/science being disqualifying. Nothing is said about villains not being magical girl fodder. All of those are perfectly acceptable RAW, and if GiF wants to change that he should. :P

Teal Dear: Make your case, and if GiF thinks it'll be fun/interesting he'll probably say yes.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:32 am
by Bitmap
Ok it's 2019 so I have to ask this question. What is a "girl" in the eyes of GIF?

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:39 am
by Tana and Ephraim
replacing RC and Sakura Hana's ins

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:41 am
by Sakura Hana
In post 40, Tana and Ephraim wrote:replacing RC and Sakura Hana's ins
/confirm

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:11 am
by popsofctown
In post 38, Jingle wrote:
In post 27, popsofctown wrote:I have become totally fascinated about thinking of characters that do/don't fit these rules.
Questions:
Does "girl" imply youth, do the characters need to be children or at least teenagers?
Does the character need to be human before and after transformation?
Does the character need to be female before and after transformation?
Does the transformation need to be voluntary in the canon?
Does the transformation need to be temporary in the canon?
If the transformation is explained by sci-fi elements rather than magic is it disqualified (I feel like superheroes would be lame)?
Can the character be evil?
I suggest looking at the OP. The first three are soft yes's in that I'd ask FG if you want permission to bend the rules there.

Nothing is said about temporary or voluntary transformations. Nothing is said about technology/science being disqualifying. Nothing is said about villains not being magical girl fodder. All of those are perfectly acceptable RAW, and if GiF wants to change that he should. :P

Teal Dear: Make your case, and if GiF thinks it'll be fun/interesting he'll probably say yes.
I don't know what RAW stands for. The first three seem unclear based on the OP. The second two conflict with the setup design a bit. The evil prohibition was possibly implied by the Nyaruko example. And the scifi one I have no basis for whatsoever, I am tired of Marvel movies and am shamelessly trying to convince GiF to ban them, I guess by Socratic questioning.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:17 am
by popsofctown
Oh no there was a superhero in one of the games.
nuuuuuuuuuu
Looks like all the picks are young and all the picks stay human.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:17 am
by Jingle
RAW = Rules as written.

Samus is pretty age ambiguous, afair, and explicitly goes against the scifi counterexample.

Most marvel characters would be a pretty tough sell, though. IG maybe Pepper?

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:18 am
by Jingle
In post 39, Bitmap wrote:Ok it's 2019 so I have to ask this question. What is a "girl" in the eyes of GIF?
Not the red power ranger.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:16 am
by Bitmap
I like asking stupid questions.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:21 am
by popsofctown
Samus's dialogue is written pretty maturely in Metroid Fusion and implies she's a bit older in a few ways. That's not the most widely played title but it's still cannon. Freudian slip misspelling that I should not correct.

Did one of the past games include a Samus?

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:22 am
by popsofctown
I kind of want my magical girls to be young just out of preference but if I find an older one that's just perfect I might not stick to that.

Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:29 am
by RadiantCowbells
I kind of want my magical girls to be young just out of preference
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