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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:16 am
by Flubbernugget
The fuck dude

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:16 am
by Flubbernugget
VOTE: something smart

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:17 am
by Something_Smart
Lol. What for?

You know scum governor getting to LYLO is an instant scum win right?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:21 am
by Kerset
Draft choice is such huge source of information. With double role pick {8,9,10,11} are able to find out which roles were taken by top players. It's obv that both {9,10} are scum.
VOTE: Aaron

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:22 am
by skitter30
In post 27, Something_Smart wrote:Lol. What for?

You know scum governor getting to LYLO is an instant scum win right?
I almost feel like scum wouldnt have gone for governor because it's such an obviously scummy pick

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:22 am
by skitter30
In post 28, Kerset wrote:Draft choice is such huge source of information. With double role pick {8,9,10,11} are able to find out which roles were taken by top players. It's obv that both {9,10} are scum.
VOTE: Aaron
Oh? How did you reach this conclusion?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:24 am
by Something_Smart
In post 29, skitter30 wrote:I almost feel like scum wouldnt have gone for governor because it's such an obviously scummy pick
Probably not. But if anyone, scum or town, did, we need to know about it.

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:25 am
by skitter30
V true

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:26 am
by skitter30
Also flub why are you voting ss rn?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:45 am
by Sujimichi
VOTE: Wooper

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:57 am
by Billy Pilgrim
In post 31, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 29, skitter30 wrote:I almost feel like scum wouldnt have gone for governor because it's such an obviously scummy pick
Probably not. But if anyone, scum or town, did, we need to know about it.
Sorry folks I'm going to miss most of today and tomorrow for work reasons. I will be back in tonight for a bit, but I'm apologizing for missing a decent bit of RVS.

I think Governor is probably an instant scumclaim. Wasnt it paired with 5shot JOAT? Who would take governor over that?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:00 am
by Flubbernugget
In post 27, Something_Smart wrote:Lol. What for?

You know scum governor getting to LYLO is an instant scum win right?
Town governor in lylo is an instant town win too

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:02 am
by Flubbernugget
In post 33, skitter30 wrote:Also flub why are you voting ss rn?
Scum trying to nk a way to out them if they quickhammer

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:09 am
by Flubbernugget
If it's a role that you're only going to see scum pick why would you waste breath trying to solicit a claim?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:10 am
by Something_Smart
In post 36, Flubbernugget wrote:Town governor in lylo is an instant town win too
No it's not? Scum aren't going to quickhammer if they don't know if there's a governor.

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:11 am
by Something_Smart
In post 38, Flubbernugget wrote:If it's a role that you're only going to see scum pick why would you waste breath trying to solicit a claim?
I'm at work, I have plenty of time to waste. Especially compared to all the incredibly productive things I could have been doing on page 1...

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:12 am
by Flubbernugget
In post 39, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 36, Flubbernugget wrote:Town governor in lylo is an instant town win too
No it's not? Scum aren't going to quickhammer if they don't know if there's a governor.
...which is why they'd want the governor to claim, so they can guarantee that's not a possibility

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:15 am
by Something_Smart
Sure, that's fair. It's slightly more convenient to scum if the governor claims before LYLO.

However it's also materially more important to town, especially if the governor is scum.

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:16 am
by Something_Smart
Like you took what I did and assumed a scum motivation with a tiny benefit rather than a town motivation with a significant benefit.

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:20 am
by Flubbernugget
I don't think not having quickhammers in lylo is a tiny benefit

It's not the auto I imagined though

Shit

UNVOTE:

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:24 am
by Something_Smart
It may not be tiny, but the way I see it, if there's a TvT vote in LYLO after massclaim, that voter's not likely to change their mind (although it can happen), and so even if the person they voted is lynched (not quickhammered) and it's governed onto scum, they're still probably going to vote them again.

This is of course a simplification, but regardless, I don't think that trying to fish for, and subsequently NK, a governor (which is a hella scummy pick) is at all a smart mechanical play with this many strong roles running around.

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:28 am
by Flubbernugget
What do you mean by governed onto scum?

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:37 am
by Sujimichi
In post 46, Flubbernugget wrote:What do you mean by governed onto scum?
The Governor role in this setup is allowed to change the lynch to another player, not just stop it.
1-shot Governor
~ Once the game has entered twilight (the final hammering vote has been cast) you have 24 hours to change who is being lynched. You may only do this once.

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:39 am
by Flubbernugget
Oh, duh.

I read that going through the op too :facepalm:

Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:40 am
by Something_Smart
Yeah.

You're not wrong about it being a scary role. But it's scarier for town than for scum.