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VOTE: gyro zepp

Ez game

Probably just going to sheep Micc all game

I'd almost feel like policy lynching that slot ngl.

In post 27, LCpl Jones wrote:I'd almost feel like policy lynching that slot ngl.

under what policy?

In post 26, BBmolla wrote:VOTE: gyro zepp

Ez game

Probably just going to sheep Micc all game

VOTE: BBmolla

In post 28, Karnage wrote: under what policy?

Article 678 of the Statute for the Reasonable Prevention of Underage Sorcery, of course!

seriously though I don't think that a certain person, not to be rude, but this is my opinion, is going to be very helpful.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: BBmolla
no sheeping please
baaaaaaaa

this game better not just be me and karnage posting funny pictures

I find being anti-sheeping as a pretty bad take. Can you explain your position?

People who sheep aren't thinking for themselves. They run the risk of sheeping scum, but apart from that it's encouraging a group-think mentality, which allows scum to hide very effectively since they aren't pushed to show their own opinions to as great an extent.

To be fair to BBmolla I don't really think he's going to be full on sheeping you as that and generally scum aren't going to explicitly say that they're sheeping like that.

So is you vote strictly on the policy of being anti-sheeping, or do you have a scum read here?

To a certain extent the former although not fully; the vote is RVS (notice the irony). I don't scum-read him because of it, because I don't believe he was being serious. I find it very scummy when people appear to be creating content while in fact sheeping someone else; this is because scum will know that that player's reads are utter boll*xs and want to encourage them.

Why are you so eager to

pedit I got distracted by hamburgers and hit submit without finishing

I like hamburgers

Why are you so eager to cast shade on anti-sheeping? Do you want people sheeping you so you can fulfill your nefarious purposes?

Are you saying townsfolk do not want to be sheeped

In post 35, LCpl Jones wrote:To a certain extent the former although not fully; the vote is RVS (notice the irony). I don't scum-read him because of it, because I don't believe he was being serious. I find it very scummy when people appear to be creating content while in fact sheeping someone else; this is because scum will know that that player's reads are utter boll*xs and want to encourage them.

Are you referring to BBmolla’s vote being RVS or your vote on BBmolla being RVS?

LCpl Jones wrote:Why are you so eager to cast shade on anti-sheeping? Do you want people sheeping you so you can fulfill your nefarious purposes?

I think some amount of working together is necessary to play well as Town, so the idea that one person should never express support of another’s actions by following in their footsteps doesn’t sit well with me. I’m aware of the bad things that can come from this that you presented, but I don’t think you’ve done your due diligence to find out if BBmolla is sheeping in good faith or not. I find questioning you about that helpful to determining your alignment, so here we are.

I am referring to my own vote.

Just to clarify - BBmolla isn't sheeping yet. I don't count RVS votes. But when / if he or anyone else starts sheeping in general gameplay I think thats definitely something I'll be looking at.

Should I purposefully not follow Micc as town even if I agree with him?

If your reads happen to align with his I'll not think its sheeping so long as I can see why you think that.
There's a fine line between not sheeping and sheeping and it has to do with motivation. And reading that is pretty damn hard but I find some things tend to pop up here and there that can tell the difference.
Remember - I don't know you're town; all I have to go on is what I see on the face of it, I can't see what your motivations are.

In post 29, Karnage wrote:

In post 26, BBmolla wrote:Probably just going to sheep Micc all game

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In post 30, LCpl Jones wrote:

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no sheeping please
baaaaaaaa

obvious irony not so obvious

also, my apologies for not spoilering the image; I didn't remember I was supposed to do that.

So what’s the purpose of the vote you made in post 30? You’ve already been in the thread plenty and laid down an RVS vote. What purpose does an additional RVS vote serve? From my point of view the reasons look a lot like you appearing to create content while not actually creating content, which is something you called out as something scum happily achieve by sheeping.

In post 43, Micc wrote:So what’s the purpose of the vote you made in post 30? You’ve already been in the thread plenty and laid down an RVS vote. What purpose does an additional RVS vote serve? From my point of view the reasons look a lot like you appearing to create content while not actually creating content, which is something you called out as something scum happily achieve by sheeping.

I feel like you're badgering (see what I did there) the LCpl a little bit.

Whats wrong with a second RVS vote? We haven't even had every player post yet I don't think. I made a second RVS vote but for some reason you didn't see the need to comment on it.

In post 18, Micc wrote:

In post 13, Gyro Zeppeli wrote:Das pretty gay

Feel free to explain your vote. Karnage did ask about it after all.

I’m going with my theory that you wanted to be unnoticed and unproductive until convinced otherwise.

Couldn't sheeping be seen as wanting "to be unnoticed and unproductive until convinced otherwise"? You seem to hold different players to different standards

In post 40, BBmolla wrote:Should I purposefully not follow Micc as town even if I agree with him?

Do you currently townread Micc? if so, why?

In post 22, Salsae wrote:

In post 21, Karnage wrote:

In post 19, Salsae wrote: I've played a couple offsite, but this will be my first here.

is there no RVS where you come from?

No there hasn't been.

There's no time like the present

In post 43, Micc wrote:So what’s the purpose of the vote you made in post 30? You’ve already been in the thread plenty and laid down an RVS vote. What purpose does an additional RVS vote serve? From my point of view the reasons look a lot like you appearing to create content while not actually creating content, which is something you called out as something scum happily achieve by sheeping.

I don't see any reason why you can't have multiple RVS votes. I think you could safely say that I've moved the game out of RVS. What scum motivation do you see in that? Why would I call out a tactic that you claim that I am using myself thus drawing attention to it?


I still feel like you're being pockety karnage

That’s fine. Don’t sheep me lol

I’m more trying to sort Micc and BBM at the moment

In post 44, Karnage wrote:

In post 43, Micc wrote:So what’s the purpose of the vote you made in post 30? You’ve already been in the thread plenty and laid down an RVS vote. What purpose does an additional RVS vote serve? From my point of view the reasons look a lot like you appearing to create content while not actually creating content, which is something you called out as something scum happily achieve by sheeping.

I feel like you're badgering (see what I did there) the LCpl a little bit.

Whats wrong with a second RVS vote? We haven't even had every player post yet I don't think. I made a second RVS vote but for some reason you didn't see the need to comment on it.

Yeah, I've heard that one once or twice.

From a theory standpoint, I see making an RVS vote as unproductive for town. Scum hunting has to begin eventually and a productive member of the town will eagerly make it happen as early as possible. That doesn't really hold true in practice as people love cracking jokes especially with people they are familiar with, but it makes sense from a theory standpoint. I didn't take your post 29 as a RVS vote because you seemed to be trying to actively move the game forward with your other posts, and that's not something I see from LCpl Jones.

In post 44, Karnage wrote:

In post 18, Micc wrote:

In post 13, Gyro Zeppeli wrote:Das pretty gay

Feel free to explain your vote. Karnage did ask about it after all.

I’m going with my theory that you wanted to be unnoticed and unproductive until convinced otherwise.

Couldn't sheeping be seen as wanting "to be unnoticed and unproductive until convinced otherwise"? You seem to hold different players to different standards

Yeah, and I think I acknowledged that. At some point you gotta engage and understand if that's the motivation propelling them to sheep or if they are following in the footsteps of a read they believe in that came from a player they believe is town. The former is bad sheeping the latter is acceptable sheeping. LCpl Jones doesn't seem to have looked into BBmolla's motivation for sheeping which is why I'm questioning him about it.