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hello hello!

while not optimal, i'm choosing to take the VT claim at face value right now. it seems fun and lighthearted despite the consequences and i don't think there would've been time to coordinate it nor do i think it's some scum maneuver to fake us out. reading and knowing about the game and seeing how people play can be influence, but it's a whole 'nother thing to actually execute something like that post, imo.

if i'm wrong though, i'm sure it'll be apparent later.

VOTE: mujie

mujie, why would you point out the fact that it could be wifom from a pr? wouldn't it be the opposite of having sjreaver's back to bring attention to that fact? also, post 16 seems to have a lot of back and forth in it without any conclusion coming from it.

Hello everyone!
Welcome to the site and I hope you all have an enjoyable game experience =)

In post 21, clidd wrote: My feeling about your claim, for example, is that you could have been guided to act in that specific way, in the scenario where you are scum, which is in conflict with another impression that says you are not a newbie and you already owned/has a forum account (which implies that you are a secret alt).

You don't know how happy it makes me that you think I might be an alt.

Changing the subject, I have a few questions:

1- What is your experience with the "mafia" theme ?
2- You know the basic terms ''town'', ''townie'', ''scum'', but apparently you were unaware that an early claim would help the mafia. Can I assume this was accidental ?
3- Regardless of the scenario of you being a beginner or not, what is your opinion about the fact that the way people react to your claim could indicate potential PRs (power roles) for the mafia ? or is it not suggestive enough in your vision ?

1. Started playing Town of Salem on the fourth. I'd never played a game like it before.
2. I spent a good amount of time on my first post. I'd hoped people would like it. I thought it would be fun to do something other than picking a random name and voting for them. Instead, people just think I'm hurting my team. But to answer your question, it wasn't accidental.
3. I don't know. If they can do that, I hope I can do the same.

In post 25, Ydrasse wrote:hello hello!

while not optimal, i'm choosing to take the VT claim at face value right now. it seems fun and lighthearted despite the consequences and i don't think there would've been time to coordinate it nor do i think it's some scum maneuver to fake us out. reading and knowing about the game and seeing how people play can be influence, but it's a whole 'nother thing to actually execute something like that post, imo.

if i'm wrong though, i'm sure it'll be apparent later.

VOTE: mujie

mujie, why would you point out the fact that it could be wifom from a pr? wouldn't it be the opposite of having sjreaver's back to bring attention to that fact? also, post 16 seems to have a lot of back and forth in it without any conclusion coming from it.

I believe that whether or not there was time to coordinate this type of movement would be more impactful in the scenario in which Scum!SJ is a true newbie, something that does not apply to Scum!SJ being experienced. He could be objective in showing that he would act in a certain way to generate reactions, but, of course, this is a baby theory that I am speculating.

In post 24, clidd wrote: What's weird about the claim to you ?

It was an unprompted claim on his first post. Maybe I haven't read enough, but that's not something I've really seen, at least not without sarcasm.

Out of curiosity, are fake alts common?
I know you're posting your train of thought here, but if they're not common, why would you suspect he's one?

In post 27, SJReaver wrote:

In post 21, clidd wrote: My feeling about your claim, for example, is that you could have been guided to act in that specific way, in the scenario where you are scum, which is in conflict with another impression that says you are not a newbie and you already owned/has a forum account (which implies that you are a secret alt).

You don't know how happy it makes me that you think I might be an alt.

Changing the subject, I have a few questions:

1- What is your experience with the "mafia" theme ?
2- You know the basic terms ''town'', ''townie'', ''scum'', but apparently you were unaware that an early claim would help the mafia. Can I assume this was accidental ?
3- Regardless of the scenario of you being a beginner or not, what is your opinion about the fact that the way people react to your claim could indicate potential PRs (power roles) for the mafia ? or is it not suggestive enough in your vision ?

1. Started playing Town of Salem on the fourth. I'd never played a game like it before.
2. I spent a good amount of time on my first post. I'd hoped people would like it. I thought it would be fun to do something other than picking a random name and voting for them. Instead, people just think I'm hurting my team. But to answer your question, it wasn't accidental.
3. I don't know. If they can do that, I hope I can do the same.

1- Can you tell me precisely how many games?

2- Plausible, I noticed the emphasis that you suggested by repetition:


3- Being more specific, do you think it would be possible to deduce that a person is PR by the way that person reacts to a claim ? imagine you're scum, what would you do when you see a player claiming vanilla ?

In post 29, Pearofclubs wrote:

In post 24, clidd wrote: What's weird about the claim to you ?

It was an unprompted claim on his first post. Maybe I haven't read enough, but that's not something I've really seen, at least not without sarcasm.

Out of curiosity, are fake alts common?
I know you're posting your train of thought here, but if they're not common, why would you suspect he's one?

Wouldn't that feeling be enough to vote for him ? from your perspective, I imagine that the absence of a vote is not because of a lack of suggestive content.

It depends on whether you can see who is alt.
I am suspicious because his attitude would benefit the scenario in which he was posing as a newbie to hunt PRs by means of reactions, without getting caught. I already did something similar on another platform.

In post 30, clidd wrote:
1- Can you tell me precisely how many games?

On Town of Salem? A little over fifty, maybe sixty. I can now play ranked, which you can only do after 50 games.

3- Being more specific, do you think it would be possible to deduce that a person is PR by the way that person reacts to a claim ? imagine you're scum, what would you do when you see a player claiming vanilla ?

You could try! It depends on the PR.

Let's see, you poke at the things you don't know and accept the things you do. If I were evil mafia scum and someone claimed to be a vanilla townie, it wouldn't be that interesting to me. I already know they're townie and wouldn't take the time to verify that. Instead, I have an opening to figure out what the flavor of the other townies might be.

Better to just ignore me--I obviously like to talk and there will be an opportunity to read me later. Press the other townies for their thoughts and feelings.

Or they might just sit back and watch.

In post 31, clidd wrote:
Wouldn't that feeling be enough to vote for him ? from your perspective, I imagine that the absence of a vote is not because of a lack of suggestive content.

It depends on whether you can see who is alt.
I am suspicious because his attitude would benefit the scenario in which he was posing as a newbie to hunt PRs by means of reactions, without getting caught. I already did something similar on another platform.

To answer your question: Maybe? I don't know. I don't really get mafia vibes out of it. I could absolutely be wrong, but I'm leaning more that he actually is VT and made a bit of a goof while having fun with his first post.

Maybe I should have voted to see how he would react? Didn't think of it at the time, and I don't really see it working quite so well now.
And, fair enough. I suppose I can see why you're suspicious.

In post 25, Ydrasse wrote: VOTE: mujie

mujie, why would you point out the fact that it could be wifom from a pr? wouldn't it be the opposite of having sjreaver's back to bring attention to that fact? also, post 16 seems to have a lot of back and forth in it without any conclusion coming from it.

Mujie is an interesting guy. He feels very trustworthy to me.

Gives me a strong townie vibe, what about you?

i must admit that i have yet to feel the town waves radiate from mujie, sunflower-friend.

also, regarding the experience i think that my personal theory is that sjreaver is experienced in other formats but not forum mafia, and while they lend their talents to playing something like this it's a different setting entirely. not a fresh newbie sj might be emboldened to do some shenanigans but i feel they'd probably be too self-conscious of the backlash for them to willfully claim vt.

In post 13, mujie wrote:Are you just voting for everyone who hasn't replied yet in the hopes that they end up replying?

Nope!

In post 25, Ydrasse wrote:post 16 seems to have a lot of back and forth in it without any conclusion coming from it.

I agree with this, and I felt the same about 20 too

VOTE: mujie

oh, i meant 20 and was staring at the pretty little 16 in the quote.

hah, I didn't check the number either I just assumed you were talking about 13

Ydrasse wrote: VOTE: mujie

mujie, why would you point out the fact that it could be wifom from a pr? wouldn't it be the opposite of having sjreaver's back to bring attention to that fact? also, post 16 seems to have a lot of back and forth in it without any conclusion coming from it.

Out of curiosity, what benefit would scum have in asking that? It seems like something no one would want to just bring up, since town wouldn't want to ruin the bluff and mafia wouldn't want to point out a third option.

@SJReaver
Of course he's trustworthy to you, he's the only one who's claimed to have your back! Hopefully in a good way, I suppose we'll see

In post 40, Pearofclubs wrote: @SJReaver
Of course he's trustworthy to you, he's the only one who's claimed to have your back! Hopefully in a good way, I suppose we'll see

That's fair. I'll try to read his posts again and see whatever confusion people are talking about.

In post 39, GuiltyLion wrote:hah, I didn't check the number either I just assumed you were talking about 13

be honest with me. Are You Town?

In post 40, Pearofclubs wrote:

Ydrasse wrote: VOTE: mujie

mujie, why would you point out the fact that it could be wifom from a pr? wouldn't it be the opposite of having sjreaver's back to bring attention to that fact? also, post 16 seems to have a lot of back and forth in it without any conclusion coming from it.

Out of curiosity, what benefit would scum have in asking that? It seems like something no one would want to just bring up, since town wouldn't want to ruin the bluff and mafia wouldn't want to point out a third option.

@SJReaver
Of course he's trustworthy to you, he's the only one who's claimed to have your back! Hopefully in a good way, I suppose we'll see

in the context of that post i think it's a possible buddying attempt while disarming the worth that the wifom would have.

In post 43, Ydrasse wrote: in the context of that post i think it's a possible buddying attempt while disarming the worth that the wifom would have.

Ah, I understand. He did cozy up to SJ awful quick, and from what I understand, despite having a new player slot he's played before, just some time ago?
Thanks for clarifying. So, at least for the time being:

VOTE: mujie

Mujie, can you explain why you pointed that out?

Of course I didn't put out a conclusion yet. I didn't have a conclusion yet. I prefer to wait for more conclusive evidence to vote for someone.

And I said I'd prefer not to if possible. As in: If I have two scum reads, 1 who's first game it is and one who's a veteran player, I'd rather vote for the veteran player because it would suck for a brand new player to be lynched on the first day. Maybe it's just my nature, especially as a youth worker though. Like we took someone to Friday football, we made sure he had the best first session so he'd feel confident about it.

As for why I pointed it out:

1) I always like to joke and like turn someone's statement into a good version. Like that old joke where it twists around: "Your mum... Is a very nice person."

2) At the time, I wasn't thinking "This guy's a scum, I'm gonna try to take that suspicion away. I was thinking "This guy made a mistake, but if I suggest he could be bluffing, then it might cast doubt, thus making the mafia do a double take."

So I do think SJ's leaning towards scum, but OK, so while writing this post, I realised why I was hesitant to vote. In Epicmafia, IIRC, once everyone's voted, the lynch happens. It's so fast that you can't vote recklessly. But here, it's not a lynch when everyone votes, it's after 9 days.

So...

VOTE: SJReaver

I know someone's gonna say I voted for SJ just to make me seem less scummy, but he's my strongest suspicion atm, but if a stronger suspicion comes along who's first game it isn't, I'll vote for them. That's just who I am. (Side Note: For like half an hour, I was debating in my head whether to vote for SJReaver, until I realised what the difference in formats meant.

Muije still reads as Townie to me. He shows a jumble of thoughts, but it comes off as more relaxed and spontaneous than an attempt to obfuscate. Mafia have to be self-aware and slightly on guard.

GuiltyLion is following along other posters. Still evaluating.

Ydrasse makes me nervous. She doesn't say much and she immediately deflected attention away from herself.

Clidd both manages to write a great deal and all of it comes off as polished and weighted. He's good at keeping his cards to his chest. If he's a Townie, that's wonderful. If he's not, then I consider him the biggest threat to winning and want him off the board before the end of the day.

Itty, bitty problem: not sure how to figure that out yet.

In post 32, SJReaver wrote:

In post 30, clidd wrote:
1- Can you tell me precisely how many games?

On Town of Salem? A little over fifty, maybe sixty. I can now play ranked, which you can only do after 50 games.

3- Being more specific, do you think it would be possible to deduce that a person is PR by the way that person reacts to a claim ? imagine you're scum, what would you do when you see a player claiming vanilla ?

You could try! It depends on the PR.

Let's see, you poke at the things you don't know and accept the things you do. If I were evil mafia scum and someone claimed to be a vanilla townie, it wouldn't be that interesting to me. I already know they're townie and wouldn't take the time to verify that. Instead, I have an opening to figure out what the flavor of the other townies might be.

Better to just ignore me--I obviously like to talk and there will be an opportunity to read me later. Press the other townies for their thoughts and feelings.

Or they might just sit back and watch.

Considering that you are a ToS player, I suppose you noticed the difference in the length of the day between the platforms, and also adapted to a faster and less detailed playing style, which is contrary to the width of post 7 which, although it has theoretically pointed out as comical, it suggests that you have had previous experience with the temporal format normally used in forums, not necessarily being of the theme "mafia". In this context, I speculate that you are omitting part of your experience history, but without feeling the need to consistently mask your posts to conform to a mindset that we judge as a newbie, which is a notable inconsistency for the scenario in which you is an experienced player, scum, trying to camouflage himself within a beginner's veil. There is also the scenario in which you are experienced, town, but you are acting in a beginner way on purpose, having some personal goal in mind. Maybe fun ?

I believe that the healthiest hypothesis that I intend to work on at the moment is that you are a semi-experienced player with a pre-existing background in the skills of the mafia game, and that you are aware of your actions. Assessing the claim from that, especially by comparison to the chain of actions that I imagine scum!You could have taken to gain an advantage without leaving loose ends, I conclude that the acceptance of your claim by others, added to the lack of an expressive push, infer from more optimistically that there are more chances of you being town than scum within the voting situation, which also decreases the chance of Lion/Beeboy being scums together on the pretext that both being more experienced players, theoretically, there would be windows for them to pull a narrative around your slot, in order to prepare ground for an ML (which didn't happen).

In others words,

UNVOTE: SJReaver

In post 33, Pearofclubs wrote:

In post 31, clidd wrote:
Wouldn't that feeling be enough to vote for him ? from your perspective, I imagine that the absence of a vote is not because of a lack of suggestive content.

It depends on whether you can see who is alt.
I am suspicious because his attitude would benefit the scenario in which he was posing as a newbie to hunt PRs by means of reactions, without getting caught. I already did something similar on another platform.

To answer your question: Maybe? I don't know. I don't really get mafia vibes out of it. I could absolutely be wrong, but I'm leaning more that he actually is VT and made a bit of a goof while having fun with his first post.

Maybe I should have voted to see how he would react? Didn't think of it at the time, and I don't really see it working quite so well now.
And, fair enough. I suppose I can see why you're suspicious.

Why did you classify his claim as "strange" if your impression was tending towards town alignment rather than scum ?

If it is strange, something of that seemed "out of place" from your perspective, which would indicate doubt and consequently would incite questioning. Your instance of *conflict* does not seem natural in this context.