Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ZOINK

[Lavender]

My kawaii face turned into an emoji, I’d like to revolt ಠ_ಠ

[Morning Tweet]

ヽ(^∀^)ﾉ

hi Hectic hi Chara hi Puppy ! and hi everyone!

HEAL: Puppy

[Isis]

Spare Votecount 1.1

Hectic--------------------------

Elements-----------------------

Chara---------------------------

(2) Chara, catboi

Prism --------------------------

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

(1) PookyTheMagicalBear

catboi--------------------------

Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift -------------------

Lavender ----------------------

redtea --------------------------

Tanner -------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy-------------

(1) Morning Tweet

Not sparing:

- (8) Hectic, Elements, Prism, Tayl0r Swift, Lavender, redtea, Tanner, CantLynchAPuppy

Fight Votecount 1.1

Hectic--------------------------

(1) Tayl0r Swift

Elements-----------------------

Chara---------------------------

Prism --------------------------

(2) catboi, Lavender

PookyTheMagicalBear -------

catboi--------------------------

Morning Tweet----------------

Tayl0r Swift -------------------

Lavender ----------------------

redtea --------------------------

Tanner -------------------------

CantLynchAPuppy-------------

Not Fighting:

- (9) Hectic, Elements, Chara, Prism, PookyTheMagicalBear, Morning Tweet, redtea, Tanner, CantLynchAPuppy

Nahdia turned the spotlight onto Tayl0r Swift, who began to shiver from all the attention. She nervously tried to come up with lines in line with the story Nahdia had stated. "Um yes. Because of the

prophecy

.." Her voice cracked as she tried to inflect the last word, making her blush.
Then Tayl0r Swift pointed up at a large, black, hulking mass above, a Hectic who was bumping against the temple ceiling and clumsily fragmenting some heiroglyphs with his fins. "Look! A dark hurricane! It must be

stopped

. Oh, and it will kill us!" The last bit seemed like a good excuse to find a dark corner and hide from the spotlight for a bit, so she skittered into the corner behind a pillar, leaving the spotlight empty.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2020-09-13 23:27:24)

[Chara]

i need a new Chara avatar.
hello Tweet.

[Prism]

I really don't want to punch EVs but if no one else will I'll do it later. Probably going to push for 4 spare again.

Wave acknowledged. I'm tired and will be in tomorrow.

[redtea]

Heyheyhey my eyes are goin crosseyed trying to make sense a all this

chara sympathizers, the lot of you HURT: Chara

[redtea]

the custom tags are neato.

Sorry to break the fun but
i read the setup going in. Somehow I was very confident. I am no longer confident.
Is the purpose of fighting only for info? Is 0 or 4 spares the ideal??

[Tanner]

ego.

HURT: puppy

[Elements]

HEAL: hectic

[Elements]

HURT: tanner
why would you hurt a puppy?

[catboi]

I really don't want to punch EVs but if no one else will I'll do it later. Probably going to push for 4 spare again.

Wave acknowledged. I'm tired and will be in tomorrow.

the custom tags are neato.

Sorry to break the fun but
i read the setup going in. Somehow I was very confident. I am no longer confident.
Is the purpose of fighting only for info? Is 0 or 4 spares the ideal??

I have thoughts but don't want to out just yet

[CantHateAPuppy]

hi everybody! hi tanner! hi morning tweet! happy to see u guys again. idk why but day rvs has become one of my favorite game phases lately

is that a cat???

HURT: catboi

[Tanner]

i also Have Thoughs, we should do genocide.

hi!! they say you can't lynch a puppy, but can you Fight a puppy?

[CantHateAPuppy]

so i had some setup questions, im not sure if the mod should answer these or if we should hash out what the best course here is, i didnt want to think about the setup too much until the game started

Town immediately wins if four town players are spared and no mafia is spared, and mafia immediately wins if two mafia or Chara are spared.

uh, scum wins if if two scum are spared, where scum are goons / chara, or is sparing the chara an automatic game over?

Chara has a bouquet of buttercups. If a townie is fought and there are no spared players, Chara will eat buttercups and die. In the alternative, once two players are spared, Chara will eat buttercups and die. Eating buttercups doesn't trigger Vengeful.

i kind of don't get any of this, what's the point of the vengeful role if it basically can't get triggered? seems like the best play is to fight someone immediately (fight! fight! fight!) because that would automatically also kill the Chara. (also what's a chara?) or we could spare twice, would that lead to a better day 4? but we definitely have to commit to one or two of these courses of action, right?

also, maybe this is obvious, but it all means that even w/ 2 votecounts we can only do one of spare/fight on a given day right

Four : If town hasn't already won or lost, the town immediately spares another player, then all players in the game thread perish without flipping and the occupants of the Spared PT return to the game thread. Those players vote on one guess of the remaining mafia, and win or lose on its correctness.

i think this makes sense but it seems like the hardest of the outcomes for us to win

One to three :

The mafia must choose an unspared player to be publicly investigated for each living mafia.

Skip night 4. Return spared players to the game thread. If mafia was spared, the mafia immediately wins if two of its players survive the day 5 decision.

bolded makes no sense to me. if by d4 town has spared 1-3 times, then... town gets a public cop result for each living scum? why isn't this the best town outcome?

Zero : The mafia must choose two players to be publicly investigated. If Chara was fought, the mafia must choose everyone. Skip night 4.

except, isn't this saying if the chara is killed and no one is spared, we basically autowin?

[CantHateAPuppy]

i also Have Thoughs, we should do genocide.

hi!! they say you can't lynch a puppy, but can you Fight a puppy?

it's ok, i'm all bark no bite!

[Hectic]

[Isis]

In the future, please bold questions to the mod and make it as explicit as possible that's where they are addressed. In this case since CantLynchAPuppy said "I think I should ask the mod these things" the intent was sufficiently clear, but in other cases I may ignore a question with no explanation if it is not made sufficiently clear it's directed to me and not other players.
1. Sparing Chara immediately ends the game.
2. Vengeful's trigger condition in this setup is for the town to elect to fight Chara before either of the conditions that would cause them to eat buttercups occurs.
3. Even though sparing and fighting are each tracked in votecounts, only one of these choices can be used each day
4. Yes, town receives one public cop result for each living mafia in 1-3 spares.
5. Note that the condition says if Chara is "fought", if they eat buttercups and are "killed" by their own hand the second clause in Zero isn't functional. When it is functional, all players will be publicly investigated. Exposed mafia still count the same as nonpublic mafia for voting mechanics and win conditions, so this does not have a direct bearing on the victorious faction.

[CantHateAPuppy]

thanks isis! sorryr for not bolding

so genocide is just better right? at least to start? sparing has a 1/12 chance of just plain losing the game, fighting has a 1/12 chance of hitting the vengeful but that would help in the Zero spare route and even if we hit town we'll still be setting up more cop clears in the 1-3 route.

[CantHateAPuppy]

yeah, pretty sure killing is just better here. is that a meta-commentary on the game of mafia? we could chose to work together but always end up fighting instead. we could be loving and kind and caring, but... killing is just better anyways. uh, neat. kill on!

[catboi]

i also Have Thoughs, we should do genocide.

hi!! they say you can't lynch a puppy, but can you Fight a puppy?

(　´_ﾉ` ) Well yes, genocide route is obviously superior and pacifism sucks eggs in this version of the setup, I was just hoping we might get more info by not immediately settling on a path and seeing who people wanted to spare

[Lavender]

Hmm what now?

[Tanner]

i also Have Thoughs, we should do genocide.

hi!! they say you can't lynch a puppy, but can you Fight a puppy?

(　´_ﾉ` ) Well yes, genocide route is obviously superior and pacifism sucks eggs in this version of the setup, I was just hoping we might get more info by not immediately settling on a path and seeing who people wanted to spare

and i was hoping to see if anyone was gonna fight me (haha get it) about it. oh well.

Hmm what now?

now we play mafia!
HURT: lavender

[CantHateAPuppy]

now we play mafia!
HURT: lavender

This is town af

[Chara]

it does look like the genocide run is more plainly optimal. that's a little unfortunate, i really enjoy the back and forth on which is better.

but

, i really want to read Prism's spare argument! so i can still be excited about that.
so, we can only get the global investigation if we fight vengeful Chara today, or at least hit another mafia member. that means this day is very important for mafia, they're going to want to avoid a Chara fight as much as they can. it's not quite white flag but it's almost as bad, by my understanding.

so, let's hunt for the little imposter.

pedit: hm. i'll agree.