i've been thinking a bit more about the setup in 16, and while i do like it, i'm kinda thinking scum is screwed come massclaim if they don't kill a PR? both the tracker and rolestopper are heavily gated, and i have a fear the town will just townbin the checker on the basis of "there's not enough town power otherwise"
an idea came to me to make the goon into mafia informed, and let them know there's 4 vts in the game. i think in theory it lets them know that the town power is scattered and that they'll maybe have to fakeclaim a PR to get some of them executed?
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:58 am
by callforjudgement
Four players will have died by the time you reach a 3:2 ending. That's very unlikely to be the four VTs (especially because it's fairly common for people to be forced to a claim and then not eliminated). Also bear in mind that scum could end up claiming a weak power role, rather than VT.
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:48 am
by Datisi
i think the micro queue is moving, so... bump?
Spoiler: role PMs
[Game PMs: "
Playername
targeted
Target
(and
Target
) last Night.", "
Playername
did not target anyone last Night.", "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result."]
[Game PMs: "Your action succeeded, and you checked
Playername
.", "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result."]
[Game PMs: "
Playername
is a Tracker.", "
Playername
is not a Tracker.", "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result."]
. You can use it if you want, just don't attempt to impersonate me.
Behaviour
- Don’t be a dick. This is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. Attack the play not the player. If your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. If you do not stop, I will tell you to stop. If you still do not stop, you will be force-replaced. Asking people to stop voting you or to stop scumhunting you entirely doesn't count for this rule and you may find yourself executed if you try it.
Don't talk about ongoing games
- You may not talk to each other about this game outside of threads I have created for this purpose. You may not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.
Provable randomness
- is against the rules. Saying that you rolled a dice is fine, using dice tags or random.org is not.
- You have about 48 hours to confirm your role and your alignment by PM. Game will start sooner if everyone confirms. Posting in a private topic counts as confirmation.
Days
- Days last up to 8 real-life days. Extensions may or may not be granted if there are replacements, or if the circumstances call for it (for example, if the site was experiencing issues).
Activity
- You must post at least once every 36 hours or I will Prod you. You then have 24 hours to post in the game thread or I will replace you. If you come back before I find a replacement, you can stay. Players can request me to prod somebody early. This will only count as an official prod if you don't post before you would have been due for a prod. If you haven't posted in the 24 hours before the thread is locked for night, you must reply to the night start PM or you will be replaced during the night.
Vacation/Limited Access
- If you need to be absent for longer than this, you should declare
V/LA
in bold in the thread like this: [
b]
@Mod: I will be v/la until Thursday
[
/b]. While you are V/LA, you will be nudged once every 60 hours. Two nudges equals one prod. If you have not posted game advancing content in 5 days, regardless of V/LA status, you will be replaced.
Prodging
- A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."
Quoting
- You may not quote (or copy paste) any private information into the thread, including your role PM and any mod communication.
Voting
- Votes must be in bold in the format VOTE: Datisi or
Vote: Datisi
. Strong preference for using vote tags instead of bold tags. Unvotes are nice but not required. If I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote, no tricks. Type [
v]Datisi[
/v] to vote and [
uv]Datisi[
/uv] to unvote.
Execution
- Days end early when a simple majority of players (50% of living players + 1 rounded down) vote to execute somebody. If a majority is not reached at deadline or if a majority of the players vote for no execution, the day will end without an execution. At evens, 50% is sufficient for no execution. It takes (100% of living players + 1) votes to execute the Moderator.
Twilight
- Begins when a majority is reached and lasts until I lock the thread. You're still alive until I flip you so you can talk in any game threads you have access to until then, but no votes or unvotes will be counted.
Night
- Night lasts at least 48 hours. The night phase can be shortened if every living player -- even those with no night actions -- agrees to it and if I'm not busy.
Action submissions
- You may submit actions via PM (if town) or PT (if scum). If the actions are not submitted by the deadline then you do nothing. You can change your mind as many times as you like before the deadline.
Reminders
- If I don't hear from you about your night actions, I'll PM you 24 hours before the deadline. This doesn't count as a prod. If I still don't hear from you, you will take no action.
Notes PT
- Let me know if you want a private thread to store your thoughts and feedback for the other players. You may draft posts in your notes PT if the posts are clearly meant to be posted in the main thread. You may not use the notes PT to demonstrate that you've had a town mindset in private all along; just put your town mindset in public to begin with and keep your notes to yourself.
Using scripts
- Using scripts to alter or hide another player's posts is not allowed.
Play to win
- this particular game, not some future one, and keep it fun!
Any and all Private Topics will be open at all times.
The Mafia have Multitasking enabled by default.
The game is confirmed to be 7 Town vs 2 Mafia.
Sample Vanilla Townie role PM:
Spoiler:
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:19 am
by callforjudgement
The Tracker-Finder PM needs to clarify that the Complex modifier only prevents the tracker-finding from working on vanilla players – we wouldn't want the player to think that their factional kill would fail. That could be as simple as changing "Your Night action" to "This Night action".
Removing the "Assuming no interference from your action" from the Checker PM makes it no longer make sense. You probably want "You will be told whether or not your action succeeded".
The rules don't mention anything about how to request a replacement (i.e. that you can't do it in thread); "Follow all site rules" covers this, so this is basically up to whether you want all the site rules to also be present in your own ruleset or not.
I'm fine with the setup, and the rules and PMs hardly need changing, so I approve this assuming that you make at least the first two choices above (the third is more a mod discretion thign).
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:54 am
by Datisi
hmm, i didn't think about the complex modifier and the factional kill, glad it doesn't affect it. i edited the tracker-finder and the checker role PMs. also i added that rule to my ruleset. considering how annoyed i get when players replace out in-thread or threaten to reaplce out, i wonder why i hadn't added it earlier.
Spoiler: fixed role PMs
[Game PMs: "
Playername
targeted
Target
(and
Target
) last Night.", "
Playername
did not target anyone last Night.", "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result."]
[Game PMs: "Your action succeeded, and you checked
Playername
.", "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result."]
[Game PMs: "
Playername
is a Tracker.", "
Playername
is not a Tracker.", "Your action failed, and you did not receive a result."]
. You can use it if you want, just don't attempt to impersonate me.
Behaviour
- Don’t be a dick. This is a heated game but toxicity will not be tolerated. Attack the play not the player. If your fellow players tell you to stop, you must stop. If you do not stop, I will tell you to stop. If you still do not stop, you will be force-replaced. Asking people to stop voting you or to stop scumhunting you entirely doesn't count for this rule and you may find yourself executed if you try it.
Don't talk about ongoing games
- You may not talk to each other about this game outside of threads I have created for this purpose. You may not talk about other ongoing games in this thread.
Provable randomness
- is against the rules. Saying that you rolled a dice is fine, using dice tags or random.org is not.
- If you wish to replace out, PM me, do not request replacement in thread. Do not discuss your reasons for replacing out publically. Do not threaten to replace out or tell other players to replace out. If you have any concerns that a player should be replaced, PM me.
Confirmation
- You have about 48 hours to confirm your role and your alignment by PM. Game will start sooner if everyone confirms. Posting in a private topic counts as confirmation.
Days
- Days last up to 8 real-life days. Extensions may or may not be granted if there are replacements, or if the circumstances call for it (for example, if the site was experiencing issues).
Activity
- You must post at least once every 36 hours or I will Prod you. You then have 24 hours to post in the game thread or I will replace you. If you come back before I find a replacement, you can stay. Players can request me to prod somebody early. This will only count as an official prod if you don't post before you would have been due for a prod. If you haven't posted in the 24 hours before the thread is locked for night, you must reply to the night start PM or you will be replaced during the night.
Vacation/Limited Access
- If you need to be absent for longer than this, you should declare
V/LA
in bold in the thread like this: [
b]
@Mod: I will be v/la until Thursday
[
/b]. While you are V/LA, you will be nudged once every 60 hours. Two nudges equals one prod. If you have not posted game advancing content in 5 days, regardless of V/LA status, you will be replaced.
Prodging
- A naked "prod dodge" does not reset the prod timer. To avoid being prodded/replaced for inactivity, include some game advancing content in your prodges, such as "got prodded; xxxx is still scum."
Quoting
- You may not quote (or copy paste) any private information into the thread, including your role PM and any mod communication.
Voting
- Votes must be in bold in the format VOTE: Datisi or
Vote: Datisi
. Strong preference for using vote tags instead of bold tags. Unvotes are nice but not required. If I think it’s a vote, it’s a vote, no tricks. Type [
v]Datisi[
/v] to vote and [
uv]Datisi[
/uv] to unvote.
Execution
- Days end early when a simple majority of players (50% of living players + 1 rounded down) vote to execute somebody. If a majority is not reached at deadline or if a majority of the players vote for no execution, the day will end without an execution. At evens, 50% is sufficient for no execution. It takes (100% of living players + 1) votes to execute the Moderator.
Twilight
- Begins when a majority is reached and lasts until I lock the thread. You're still alive until I flip you so you can talk in any game threads you have access to until then, but no votes or unvotes will be counted.
Night
- Night lasts at least 48 hours. The night phase can be shortened if every living player -- even those with no night actions -- agrees to it and if I'm not busy.
Action submissions
- You may submit actions via PM (if town) or PT (if scum). If the actions are not submitted by the deadline then you do nothing. You can change your mind as many times as you like before the deadline.
Reminders
- If I don't hear from you about your night actions, I'll PM you 24 hours before the deadline. This doesn't count as a prod. If I still don't hear from you, you will take no action.
Notes PT
- Let me know if you want a private thread to store your thoughts and feedback for the other players. You may draft posts in your notes PT if the posts are clearly meant to be posted in the main thread. You may not use the notes PT to demonstrate that you've had a town mindset in private all along; just put your town mindset in public to begin with and keep your notes to yourself.
Using scripts
- Using scripts to alter or hide another player's posts is not allowed.
Play to win
- this particular game, not some future one, and keep it fun!