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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:25 am
by GeorgeBailey
Votecount 1.2

NoPowerOverMe(2)
~ (1), (1)

OutWorldER(1)
~ (5)
Gamma Emerald(1)
~ (1)
Frogsterking(1)
~ (2)
Amélie(1)
~ (3)
AGamblingPig(1)
~ (2)


Not Voting (6): Trendall(0), AGamblingPig(0), Momrangal(3), Grendel(0), Galron(0), Frogsterking(1)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-01 11:27:58)


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Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:28 am
by Galron
HODL> 3


VOTE: a gambling pig

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:38 am
by AGamblingPig
VOTE: LUNAR MARTIAN

martians are form mars, not the moon. LAL.

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:39 am
by NoPowerOverMe
Let's just skip RVS and vote my wagon.

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:42 am
by Galron
This seems centered.

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:44 am
by NoPowerOverMe
OutWorldER was scum in my last game it wouldn't be fair if he rolled scum twice in a row and I am perpettually town.

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:44 am
by NoPowerOverMe
Not very good scum either, lolhammered town.

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:45 am
by Galron
In post 19, Momrangal wrote:Image

Found one to give percentages.


Wonder where this goes

Forgot to tick "fit to printer margins"

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:45 am
by Trendall
Every time I do an OCEAN test or indeed any psychometric tests I get different results, but it seems that I become more and more well balanced over the years

Extraversion - 56%
Agreeableness - 51%
Conscientiousness - 33%
Openness - 59%
Neuroticism - 57%

In reality I am just 100% neuroticism and nothing else, but they never quite ask the right questions.

VOTE: Bugspray

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:47 am
by NoPowerOverMe
I hate personality tests

VOTE: Momrangal

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:47 am
by Galron
In post 17, bugspray wrote:VOTE: frogsterking personality tests are pseudoscience
This is the correct answer.

VOTE: forgsterking

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:48 am
by NoPowerOverMe
Wagon ho!

VOTE: forgsterking

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 8:59 am
by bugspray
Frogster why is your ocean test better than rvs and why didn't you link us all the same one and also post your results? NPOM and Galren might be beside one another in this wagon and I'm here to back them up

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:00 am
by NoPowerOverMe
then vote?

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:07 am
by bugspray
In post 25, GeorgeBailey wrote:Frogsterking(1) ~ bugspray(2)
read the vote count i already did and also you both spelled the name wrong

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:10 am
by NoPowerOverMe
my bad

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:12 am
by bugspray
@amelie are you a novelty account based off of the movie by the same name?

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:23 am
by Frogsterking
I agree that personality tests are pseudoscience however statistics is not and the OCEAN has statistical evidence for its constructs. OCEAN was created by an algorithm using computer science and the results were then interpreted by psychologists, it was not created the other way around where a psychologist makes up a personality test and then pretends he has evidence for his metrics.

OCEAN is more useful if we can get everyone to take it and it will affect how individuals approach the scum role. HOW it affects us is up for debate, and this is the unproven part of my construct, not the reasoning to include an accurate OCEAN in specific over other metrics.

OCEAN is so well established that a simple search on google
scholar
will make it clear that there is no longer a debate about the evidence behind the OCEAN metric. This is why I did not bother to link to evidence for the OCEAN test because it's like arguing that the earth is flat. You can see that it's a psychological construct but one of very few that have extensive statistical evidence, and it's existence is not really up to debate in general, only some specifics of how it affects us and the extent to which it can be applied.

That doesn't mean my ideas will work of course; only that they're worth trying and I'm at least credible enough to put effort into it.

The best part is that it is easy; in addition to posting an OCEAN test we can all look for, you answer the ten questions at the bottom of this post.





Obviously I did not link to my sources until everyone had completed the survey. I didn't want to make it explicitly obvious WHY this start would be better than a RQS until after we answered it. My sources will make the reasoning and evidence behind this start so clear it might influence what some of you say.
In post 10, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m curious to see what that is
How does it differ from RQS?
Instead of being random the questions are based on things that will give us information for the rest of the game. My ideas are just theories but I can link to actual evidence to support my inclusions of these questions.
In post 13, Gamma Emerald wrote:Btw I don’t know if I feel good taking any OCEAN profile tests that I’m finding online
Can you link a good safe one frog?
No and it might be difficult. I will look if enough are interested.
In post 19, Momrangal wrote:Image

Found one to give percentages.


Wonder where this goes
OK where did u find this?

The rest of the Standard Survey Start involves answering these 10 questions after posting your OCEAN:

  • 1. When was the first time you played mafia and do you remember if you liked it?
    2. Why are you playing this current game of mafia now?
    3. What is your favorite mafia-like game now? (including games like Among Us and Secret Hitler)

    4. How many people would you say you interact with offline on a typical day?
    5. How many people would you say you interact with online on a typical day?
    6. How often do you tell stories?
    7. Do you think that lying is ever OK?
    8. Do you lie more often online than offline?
    9. How good are you at lying?
    10. Would you rather talk to someone in-person or online?

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:28 am
by NoPowerOverMe
One of the questions should be, should people who post personality tests be policy eliminated?

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:31 am
by Frogsterking
Good idea; do you believe it's okay to increase the list to 11 items or do you think I should remove one to keep it at 10?

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:38 am
by NoPowerOverMe
Remove 1-10.

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:42 am
by Frogsterking
Even if you don't fill them out, your comments are giving me the information I was looking for anyway.

I know that you're extraverted and disagreeable and that it's usually an effective method for you to argue because you can wear others down over time, but with me you'll just be wasting your energy.

It would be better to cooperate so that you can find out what it is that I'm looking for. Otherwise you will not have access to the information I do and you will be at a disadvantage, especially if you're scum.

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:53 am
by Frogsterking
What I'm most interested in right now guy with Bowie avatar, is if you're resisting my theory because you're conservative (and higher in conscientiousness) and you just resist change in general or if you're simply resisting it because you're running on instinct and picking a fight with the first person who catches your attention.

The David Bowie avatar makes me suspect you are higher in openness than you are in conscientiousness, but not as high as you are in extraversion and disagreeableness, so you're mainly just picking a fight with me in order to demonstrate you have some kind of social value and are barely reading anyone's posts besides your own.

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:56 am
by NoPowerOverMe
There are other players?

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2020 10:00 am
by NoPowerOverMe
I'm resisting it because personality tests are dumb.