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Ivyeo
JacksonVirgo


Andante

Others all null.

T3 supporting me is easily to soften me up and/or to frame me if T3 flips scum later.

I very slightly townread Orctin's reaction to Andante asking why I scumread. However, Orctin not voting me despite saying that and not directly attacking me with logic or questions doesn't make sense, could be forced content.

T3 may be town, on balance, because of how actively he defended Ivy agaibst Demainer wheb he noticed she was 2/5 and Demainer's response to T3 was worth scum reading somewhat.

Ivy is lean town for me if Demainer is scum. Other than that, I'm not sure about Ivy.

In post 13, Andante wrote:my post was literally a joke? why are you taking it so seriously?

This post read to me as somewhat aggressive.

aggressive? more like annoyed. I had that CP ready to go, to fill in the blank with the first newbie to post, the plan was to scare them. I genuinely didn't like Ivy's reaction to it. Wanna talk about how we had to wait forever for this to start? yeah I'm annoyed here. Rational... idk what he's doing, it's honestly annoying me, he's pushing me for an actual joke. so whatever. people were supposed to just vote Ivy too, like 1 or 2 others. to give real pressure, all these random votes mean nothing. (except votes on me, those piss me off)

In post 23, RationalMadman wrote:

In post 21, JacksonVirgo wrote:Also to add to that, if Rational flips scum, we need to have a look at Orc because of that response taking into consideration that they're a newbie, I am not expanding on that as I don't like giving heavy logic around an associative read prior to them flipping to prove that case.

If I am town why is Orc less likely to be scun than if I am scum, considering the reaction to me?

I never said anything about anyone being less likely to be scum if you flip town.

In post 24, RationalMadman wrote:Since there are no votes on Andante at all, now I will vote. Also, I townread Ivyeo very much for her third response to things being designed to push for new avenues of debate as well as keep old ones going. I also townread that her ibitial reaction matched the vibe of Andante despite Andante voting her, it shows that she was feeling friendly towards Andante despite having every reason to quietly hide resentment, she actually pushes further on the scummy read on her, laughing with the joke that she's scum. The fact she found amusement in it is a subconscious sign she knows she's town in her mind and finds it amusing the reasoning Andante used. This is a very towny way to approach the early DP1, including that she also defends my attack without defending the logic itself. This is even supporting that she found it amusing how Andante put so much effort into justifying a joke reason.

VOTE: Andante

Also, JacksonVirgo is town for the logic and effort put in. To that post where they change their vote.

Why would there be any issue in having two votes on Andante, and if you think they are scum why are you actively *not* wanting to wagon them? Also you explained the Ivyeo town-read but then didn't explain the reason you TR me for my logic, could you please do that

What was it that you didn't like about Ivy's reaction?

In post 9, Ivyeo wrote:Alright FFery who is my teamate, make sure not to fall for their trick and actually be last to double bluff them
Oh no! meant to send that in scumchat, guess we're outed :c

Do you really have to ask me what I don't like about this? That reaction feels weird to me lmao "oh.. haha yeah, I'm totally not scum"

idk, I'll have to see how it compares to future stuff said

initial feeling was andante was town n rational was mafia

maybe ivy

mafia joke about being mafia

town wanna prove u wrong

Ayyy I'm liking Rathe this game!!

In post 34, Rathe wrote:VOTE: rationalmadman

For me Rational is strong town and Andante is lean scum. Explain?

Also what are everyone's thoughts on Demainer. His meta seems very different to 2060.

In post 37, Rathe wrote:mafia joke about being mafia

How often? Usually town do, especially when it's a quick reply to someone random voting them on nonsense reasoning.

Hello all!

Reading, reading...

In post 33, Andante wrote:

In post 9, Ivyeo wrote:Alright FFery who is my teamate, make sure not to fall for their trick and actually be last to double bluff them
Oh no! meant to send that in scumchat, guess we're outed :c

Do you really have to ask me what I don't like about this? That reaction feels weird to me lmao "oh.. haha yeah, I'm totally not scum"

idk, I'll have to see how it compares to future stuff said

This, and her first post. Town has nothing to hide, nothing to fear, why add an unnecessary /s to make sure no one misinterprets the post?

Admittedly, it's not much to go on, but this is something I'm much more certain about than anything else so far.

In post 31, JacksonVirgo wrote:Why would there be any issue in having two votes on Andante, and if you think they are scum why are you actively *not* wanting to wagon them? Also you explained the Ivyeo town-read but then didn't explain the reason you TR me for my logic, could you please do that

If I vote two votes this early on someone, it has very bad consequences if even one other person decides to go for it. Regardless of me being right or wrong, it's a much better position in early D1 bandwagons to either lead hard on a hard read or be positioned on someone you're ready to unvote in an emergency, to test others (that is why everyone positions on different people with random votes).

There is no use of me tunneling Andante that hard and fast based solely on the reaction to me and the first post. Obviously it's a soft scumread, not a gard one.

Tbe effort you put into your first post would simply be overall a waste of effort if you're scum in a newbie game. You attacked, defended, analysed in ways that showed analysis of a deep kind and also probed questions and replied from others. Even now, you are trying to spot flaws in thinking in me despite me townreading you. This all balances as town or extremely overplaying scum.

Overplaying scum is fine, however it's not likely you'd try this hard just for the first few posts you make in a newbie game unless you really wanted slips and reads to occur.

In post 44, Demainer wrote:This, and her first post. Town has nothing to hide, nothing to fear, why add an unnecessary /s to make sure no one misinterprets the post?

You're not the first person who has said this. This applies even to real life privacy vs surveillance issues.

The mentality is wrong. If you are innocent, you still should fear appearing guilty, especially in a gane like mafia. Going "I'm innocent haha if you got an issue vote me and find out bitches!" Is not really appropriate for town to have.

Imagine the most skilled player of mafia possible, are they equally careful to towntell as either alignment or only careful as scum?

The answer is equal.

In post 27, T3 wrote:Ivy is lean town for me if Demainer is scum. Other than that, I'm not sure about Ivy.

So apart from fossing everyone, do you have anything real to offer?

In post 46, RationalMadman wrote:

In post 44, Demainer wrote:This, and her first post. Town has nothing to hide, nothing to fear, why add an unnecessary /s to make sure no one misinterprets the post?

You're not the first person who has said this. This applies even to real life privacy vs surveillance issues.

The mentality is wrong. If you are innocent, you still should fear appearing guilty, especially in a gane like mafia. Going "I'm innocent haha if you got an issue vote me and find out bitches!" Is not really appropriate for town to have.

Imagine the most skilled player of mafia possible, are they equally careful to towntell as either alignment or only careful as scum?

The answer is equal.

What does privacy and surveillance have anything to do with fm?

Self-conscious posting is def ai, weird analogies are not going to change that.

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