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I only used a dice because we literally having nothing go go off on atm

The thing is that this game starts at the day, rather than night, meaning that anyones abilities couldn't be used at all, meaning that we have nothing to go off on.

In post 23, kennyk wrote:And as I just read in Radical Rats posts while watching the preview to this post: As far as I read in the wiki and was usual in the days long gone by random voting to get things started on day one is quite common. Voting (or not voting) for someone because of his avatar is even more sus in my opinion.

It is true that random voting is common. However, there's a difference between an arbitrary vote made without a serious reason, and a TRULY random vote. RVS votes and behavior can provide useful insight into how a slot is approaching the game, and later on can be an important part of a more substantial case. True randomness does not convey such information.

As far as it being more sus to not vote Uranus over the avatar... I mean, you both did the same thing but I can't vote both of you, so....

@ floo: is there any reason why you voted me? A post with a vote and nothing else seems to be suspicous, too.

@ Radical Rat: I diagree with your sight on randomness. If I said "I vote for floo because I think his avatar is the worst of all." instead of "I rolled a dice." you wouldn't have any other information. First you don't know if my claim is true.

Second I agree with Uranus' last post. The only people with informations are the mafia and to some degree townies with a power role. Vanilla townies have no clue what's going on. Those townies with a special role may have a clue which setup is used. But this can only help a little further in the game. Except if there are masons no towny knows who else to trust. So any early vote by them has to be random.

Scum on the other hand knows who their enemies are. But they don't know who their worst enemies are. Wrst in this context may mean those townies with special roles or even players with some playing skill. As this is a newbie game, there is not much to know about the playing skills of those playing (except th SEs). So a vote from mafia has to be random, too.

(Claimed/Pseudo) Random first votes on someone in the earliest stage of a game don't give me anything. They could be true town random or pseudo mafia random without anyone knowing. A second or third vote on someone seems to be much more revealing to me.

One other thing concerning the random vote: As I mentioned in that post it was for the sake of getting this game started (and that definitely seemed to have worked). It was just beating around the bush. As soon as I got any other evidence I changed it. I would have for sure unvoted if there was a chance for a kill on that person just on that random vote. Any of my votes that are part of a majority to kill someone are going to be at least based on some believe on my part that that person is evil.

In post 29, kennyk wrote:@ floo: is there any reason why you voted me? A post with a vote and nothing else seems to be suspicous, too.

I don't want to get too into a theory debate on this, but the way I look at it, the point of RVS is to generate information. None of the votes should be taken super seriously, especially not the first first votes, but the justifications people make up for their votes can occasionally have meaning, particularly later on. It's not a lot, but it provides to work with, especially if a random vote gets mistaken for a serious vote. But blindly following a dice roll removes most of that, at least if you announce that's what you did.
Of course, there is always the possibility of faking true randomness, but if your claim is to be believed, you might as well have just not voted at all.

In any case...

VOTE: floo

And I do mean this one.

In post 31, Radical Rat wrote:I don't want to get too into a theory debate on this, but the way I look at it, the point of RVS is to generate information. None of the votes should be taken super seriously, especially not the first first votes, but the justifications people make up for their votes can occasionally have meaning, particularly later on. It's not a lot, but it provides something to work with, especially if a random vote gets mistaken for a serious vote. But blindly following a dice roll removes most of that, at least if you announce that's what you did.

agree lol. openly admitting that you used RNG to make a vote instead of your soul i think is a pretty poor justification and i'd take the occasional non-voter over that, because at least they have specific reasons for doing so

Yeah man mb, (tbf I didn't know we were starting at day). Eh this is my first forum mafia game so mistakes can be made.

As for who to vote, idrk atm. We have nothing much as said before.

feeling a light townlean on kenny and uranus

In post 35, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:feeling a light townlean on kenny and uranus

On one hand you prefer non-voters over rng-voters and on the other hand you tend to believe the only two rng-voters are townies. Interesting.

In post 36, kennyk wrote:

In post 35, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:feeling a light townlean on kenny and uranus

On one hand you prefer non-voters over rng-voters and on the other hand you tend to believe the only two rng-voters are townies. Interesting.

maybe it isn't because of your rng votes

In post 20, Uranus wrote:

In post 19, kennyk wrote:@ Uranus: Why are you not voting yet?

I was too tired at the time to do any rng, but I'll do it now

catboi

due to rng

In post 23, kennyk wrote:That answer doesn't satisfy me in the least. I thought that maybe you didn't vote because you were town and didn't want to make a random accusation. Or you were a diamond thief and didn't want to be suspicious because of random voting.

But now you tell us you were to tired to do a simple rng. But posting was ok as was doing the rng one and a half hours later. And to top it of your 'randomness' casts the second vote on someone. All in all that seems highly suspicous in my eyes.

And as it is day 1 and we as town do not have any information at all (except maybe those with power rolls having informations concerning the general setup) this little bit is enough for me to undo my random vote.

UNVOTE: floo
VOTE: Uranus

And as I just read in Radical Rats posts while watching the preview to this post: As far as I read in the wiki and was usual in the days long gone by random voting to get things started on day one is quite common. Voting (or not voting) for someone because of his avatar is even more sus in my opinion. For me it seems as Radical Rat is trying to be helpful to Uranus (allthough I just asked a question). So I see a slight connection between those two.

UNVOTE: A to Z

VOTE: kennyk

In post 29, kennyk wrote:@ floo: is there any reason why you voted me? A post with a vote and nothing else seems to be suspicous, too.

@ Radical Rat: I diagree with your sight on randomness. If I said "I vote for floo because I think his avatar is the worst of all." instead of "I rolled a dice." you wouldn't have any other information. First you don't know if my claim is true.

Second I agree with Uranus' last post. The only people with informations are the mafia and to some degree townies with a power role. Vanilla townies have no clue what's going on. Those townies with a special role may have a clue which setup is used. But this can only help a little further in the game. Except if there are masons no towny knows who else to trust. So any early vote by them has to be random.

Scum on the other hand knows who their enemies are. But they don't know who their worst enemies are. Wrst in this context may mean those townies with special roles or even players with some playing skill. As this is a newbie game, there is not much to know about the playing skills of those playing (except th SEs). So a vote from mafia has to be random, too.

(Claimed/Pseudo) Random first votes on someone in the earliest stage of a game don't give me anything. They could be true town random or pseudo mafia random without anyone knowing. A second or third vote on someone seems to be much more revealing to me.

One other thing concerning the random vote: As I mentioned in that post it was for the sake of getting this game started (and that definitely seemed to have worked). It was just beating around the bush. As soon as I got any other evidence I changed it. I would have for sure unvoted if there was a chance for a kill on that person just on that random vote. Any of my votes that are part of a majority to kill someone are going to be at least based on some believe on my part that that person is evil.

VOTE: kennyk

In post 32, Radical Rat wrote:In any case...

VOTE: floo

And I do mean this one.

In post 34, Uranus wrote:Yeah man mb, (tbf I didn't know we were starting at day). Eh this is my first forum mafia game so mistakes can be made.

As for who to vote, idrk atm. We have nothing much as said before.

Wow, two votes by the same person

But serious: the more I think about floo, the more I dislike his posts. His first post (a vote with no further explanation) could have been a revenge for me rng-voting on him. Although at that time I already changed my vote to Uranus. Asked why he voted me, he just gave us the smiley. That is not much information. And only one faction likes the information to stay hidden: mafia.

UNVOTE: Uranus
VOTE: floo

@Salsabil Faria: your willingness to vote on me for me trying to solve things looks fishy in my eyes.

In post 43, kennyk wrote:Wow, two votes by the same person

@Salsabil Faria: your willingness to vote on me for me trying to solve things looks fishy in my eyes.

VOTE: kennyk

In post 43, kennyk wrote:Wow, two votes by the same person

But serious: the more I think about floo, the more I dislike his posts. His first post (a vote with no further explanation) could have been a revenge for me rng-voting on him. Although at that time I already changed my vote to Uranus. Asked why he voted me, he just gave us the smiley. That is not much information. And only one faction likes the information to stay hidden: mafia.

UNVOTE: Uranus
VOTE: floo

@Salsabil Faria: your willingness to vote on me for me trying to solve things looks fishy in my eyes.

Guess again why I voted you.

In post 43, kennyk wrote:Wow, two votes by the same person

But serious: the more I think about floo, the more I dislike his posts. His first post (a vote with no further explanation) could have been a revenge for me rng-voting on him. Although at that time I already changed my vote to Uranus. Asked why he voted me, he just gave us the smiley. That is not much information. And only one faction likes the information to stay hidden: mafia.

UNVOTE: Uranus
VOTE: floo

@Salsabil Faria: your willingness to vote on me for me trying to solve things looks fishy in my eyes.

i'm assuming that floo is trying something new? a quick check of their history shows that they have a newbie game where they're capable of making surprisingly cohesive wall posts as mafia
i'm unsure of what this means

wait i don't actually know what cohesive means

i think i meant comprehensive

catboi siteflaked, this is so sad

In post 48, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:catboi siteflaked, this is so sad

what do you mean by siteflaked?