LOST: Penguin with a Sunburn

[Lukewarm]

Either Pooky is completely bullshitting, or he is Christian and thinks that I am Jack.

That is the only other Father/Son pair in the show.

[Lukewarm]

Also, The fact that

Walt+Michael (father son) and
Boone+Shannon (brother sister)

Both have hoods together leaves me inclined to believe that there is a Jin+Sun (husband wife) hood out there somewhere. Seems like family gets hoods.

Those are the only 3 related groups of the main characters actually. A lot of characters have family as secondary characters, but those are the only main character pairings.

[Lukewarm]

Malcolm, what's up?
How are you? Are you still getting eliminated every day 1?
How has all of the being eliminated effecting your playstyle this game or how do you predict it will if at all?

I've actually never been eliminated D1! As a general rule when I'm town I manage to get through the first day, but after that I'm sometimes eliminated. Either way I tend not to let it impact my playstyle all that much - I wouldn't even say I have that much of a specific playstyle for the most part, I simply analyse and try to find connections between different players but tend to be pretty uncertain in how I approach the game.

I kinda like this post as coming from a town mindset for Malcolm.

Because several of us here know he was eliminated day 1 as scum in the Web of Lies games (and is what Bell is refering to here I believe).

But he didn't even think of that game. His thoughts went to "I never get

mis

eliminated day 1." And [I'm town this game, so I am immediately comparing this game to my other town games] feels like a genuine thought process. While I would kinda expect scum!Malcolm to be more aware of the scum game where he crashed and burned

To be fair I forget about that game quite often because I was a replacement and rather infamously managed to immediately out myself as scum within about 10 mins.

This is something that I can't really say in the main thread while you are still unclaimed (And I think you should probably remain unclaimed tbh)

But the fact that we have this hood together really strengthens my read based on this.

Because it is not just a matter of you not thinking about that game. In that game you were scum, and messed up because you had both a scum PT and neighborhood to keep up with. And if you were scum this game you would have both. I do really think that you would be hyper aware of that this game since the situations are specifically similar.

[MalcolmTucker]

I get what you mean - being honest, I do often forget about that game as an actual one I played in because I went out so early, and I am town here so it didn't particularly pop into my mind, but yeah, if I was scum, I suppose it's something I'd maybe be more aware of. It's hard to tell in a way because I'd been busy and wasn't thinking of this game until it began, so I dunno how I'd approach this if I was scum, but I could see myself being more hyper-aware. I've only rolled scum twice on the site (including my notorious error game) and the second time I was incredibly careful to the point where I won by basically getting myself to be confirmed town. I'm generally more off-the-cuff/inconsistent as town I'd say.

[Lukewarm]

It might make sense why I needed to clarify that later. Maybe.

It is unknowable

If I die, and you need to claim your role, this post is my gift to you

[MalcolmTucker]

Jesus this game is big, keeping up is difficult.

[MalcolmTucker]

It might make sense why I needed to clarify that later. Maybe.

It is unknowable

If I die, and you need to claim your role, this post is my gift to you

I am slightly confused but...noted.

[MalcolmTucker]

Feel like I need to start doing some proper casing on individual players to catch up a bit more conclusively here. I'm almost finding it hardest to get a read on some of the most active players like Pooky and Bell.

[Lukewarm]

It might make sense why I needed to clarify that later. Maybe.

It is unknowable

If I die, and you need to claim your role, this post is my gift to you

I am slightly confused but...noted.

The reason why I needed to clarify that I did not need to find my dad is because I already know who my dad is (you)

I realized that if I die, and then you claimed that were were in a hood together and I was Walt and you were Michael, people might not believe you

[Lukewarm]

Feel like I need to start doing some proper casing on individual players to catch up a bit more conclusively here. I'm almost finding it hardest to get a read on some of the most active players like Pooky and Bell.

Happy to see your thoughts in here if you want to use this space for notes and such.

I have mainly just posted in the main thread because there does not seem to be much that I want to talk to you about that I wouldn't just post in the main thread

[MalcolmTucker]

I've done a bit of a 180 on Frog - their posting seems really townie to me now.

CSF's and Frog's points re Johnny seems solid to me. I see the argument they're maybe generally somewhat low-content as a poster but I also feel like there's been relatively little there given the number of posts they made, not as if the slot has been particularly inactive.

[Lukewarm]

I am not at "really townie" with frog, but my scum read has softened. Part of the reason why I decided to look for a new place to branch off to

[MalcolmTucker]

What do you think of Roden? I don't like their response to Toad there at all as I outlined in the thread. It feels like a weak SR, but not necessarily in a townie way where they've just not particularly explored it at all yet.

[Lukewarm]

What do you think of Roden? I don't like their response to Toad there at all as I outlined in the thread. It feels like a weak SR, but not necessarily in a townie way where they've just not particularly explored it at all yet.

i think that Roden feels very different this game then in any other game I have ever seen him in.

It was an itch in the back of my head for a while, but then he made a post about how a few months ago there was a switch in the way that he approaches games, which felt genuine regardless of alignment, and so that itch went away.

And other then that, he has just been completely off my radar this game.

So he is camping as null

[MalcolmTucker]

What do you think of Roden? I don't like their response to Toad there at all as I outlined in the thread. It feels like a weak SR, but not necessarily in a townie way where they've just not particularly explored it at all yet.

i think that Roden feels very different this game then in any other game I have ever seen him in.

It was an itch in the back of my head for a while, but then he made a post about how a few months ago there was a switch in the way that he approaches games, which felt genuine regardless of alignment, and so that itch went away.

And other then that, he has just been completely off my radar this game.

So he is camping as null

Useful to know in terms of tone. I am getting a feeling they might be scum here, I don't like the defence of Galron and their reads list is actually pretty weak when you look at it.

[MalcolmTucker]

Christ this game is big.

[Lukewarm]

Christ this game is big.

Yes

[Lukewarm]

What are your thoughts about you claiming this hood?

Also, are you in any other hoods? Did not think to ask that until I became aware of so many other hoods existing lol

[Lukewarm]

I think that that was a scum slip from Dunn

[MalcolmTucker]

What are your thoughts about you claiming this hood?

Also, are you in any other hoods? Did not think to ask that until I became aware of so many other hoods existing lol

I think that that was a scum slip from Dunn

Re point 1 - no other hoods nah, just here. I don't have an issue with claiming - I don't think it's going to have too much of an impact for us other than perhaps giving more clarity as to why we'd TR each other from our wider discussions here.

Re point 2 - caught up quickly and I wasn't quite getting that, Dunn has largely been one of my strongest TR's so far and as someone who SR'd Roden, I didn't immediately catch anything wrong with their post? The analysis seemed okay to me at a first glance but I'll need to give that section of the game a proper reread.

[MalcolmTucker]

I'll largely be offline tonight right enough and then will be sleeping overnight (UK time innit) so won't be active again for another 13 hours or so. May be able to pop on briefly in 4/5 hours when I'm home but could always leave telling them about the hood until then if it works better. I certainly have no objections on my part though.

[Lukewarm]

The reason that I brought up the possibility of claiming you as my hood mate was because you had gotten a few votes. But that momentum has stopped anyways, so not really a thing any more.

[Lukewarm]

I am of the opinion that Bernard should claim if he exists.

If no one claims masons with Roden, we kill Roden.

If someone does, we kill Dunn

VOTE: dunn

Porque

Yo necessito enlaces

Lots of quotes

Spoiler:

I think that a second mason should step forward or Roden should die.

I am willing to discuss this before leaping to action.

I am also starting to lean towards it being the right call for bernard to claim.

But, want to think on it more before committing to pushing that agenda.

Roden, what are your thoughts on whether Bernard should claim today, and if you think he doesn't what do you think about the no-flip messiness or how to avoid it

I actually think that most other people should not comment on this anymore, until after Roden does.

Every person commenting on it so far is kind of claiming Not Bernard.

TOWN

PookyTheMagicalBear

Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Corwinoid
Bell
Dunnstral
Lukewarm

NULL

BlueBloodedToffee
Malakittens
Taly/Toogeloo
MalcolmTucker
Enchant
Bellaphant
Klick
JohnnyFarrar
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever/humaneatingmonkey
PenguinPower

SCUM

Cephrir
The toad
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)

TBD

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Frogsterking
Rad
Dwlee99

To Be Determined can be considered Null for the chart if necessary. I just have them separated because I want to see their play over time rather than needing to see more AI content in general.

Right now I'm around here:

Cult Recruitment 1.1:

PenguinPower
Dunnstral
Malcolm
Bell
Klick
Cat Scratch Fever
Toogeloo
T-Bone
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)


On the Waitlist:
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)

Roden

Rad
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Lukewarm


Willing to Feed to Polar Bears:

Cephrir
JohnnyFarrar
Corwinoid
BlueBloodedToffee
Galron
Frogsterking

Dunn, please explain why you posted that?

Roden is lying. I will give reasoning shortly.

Roden is lying. I will give reasoning shortly.

I hope by shortly, you mean: "I am typing it up right now, but is big post"

Shit that makes Pooky scum maybe?

Please wait for Dunn's answer instead of making guesses.

I am very interested in what explanation Dunn has for making that post

Frogsterking, Cat Scratch Fever, Cytosine and Guanine, MalcolmTucker, Bellaphant, Dunnstral, Klick, Enchant

These are players who were voting for Roden, which forced him to claim. It is safe to assume that masons wouldn't be bussing, right? So these players are not masons with Roden.

Lukewarm, ProfessorDrapion

These players reactions following the claim make it obvious that they are not masons with Roden.

Off The Hook

In post 704 OTH writes that Roden is in their "list of interests". Post 1577 further cements that OTH is not masons with Roden.

Cephrir, JohnnyFarrar, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad

These players are not masons with Roden because of the way that Roden treated them.

In post 1572 Roden lists Cephrir and the toad (RCEnigma) as mafia in their reads list.

In post 2195 Roden says that BBT looks like they are "trying to create a narrative". That is not how masons talk to each other in the main thread. Also, BBT is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 2203 Roden shows that they are isoing JohnnyFarrar, and while they have a vaguely positive impression, it seems unlikely that Roden is using some of his limited thread time on reading his own mason partners iso and ending with "it's fine". Also, Johnny is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 861 Roden says that Rad's post is "Day Vig-able"

Dancing Puppets, Taly, Mathblade

These players are all in neighborhoods. As we've learned with toogeloo, neighbors know each others flavor. The alleged other mason has the flavor "Bernard". Additionally, I think it unlikely that any neighbor would also be a mason with a completely different person.

Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird

Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.

Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173

PookyTheMagicalBear

The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.

VOTE: dunn

TOWN

PookyTheMagicalBear

Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)
Galron
Corwinoid
Bell
Dunnstral
Lukewarm

NULL

BlueBloodedToffee
Malakittens
Taly/Toogeloo
MalcolmTucker
Enchant
Bellaphant
Klick
JohnnyFarrar
T-Bone
Cat Scratch Fever/humaneatingmonkey
PenguinPower

SCUM

Cephrir
The toad
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)

TBD

Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Frogsterking
Rad
Dwlee99

To Be Determined can be considered Null for the chart if necessary. I just have them separated because I want to see their play over time rather than needing to see more AI content in general.

Right now I'm around here:

Cult Recruitment 1.1:

PenguinPower
Dunnstral
Malcolm
Bell
Klick
Cat Scratch Fever
Toogeloo
T-Bone
Cytosine and Guanine (Ircher and RH9)


On the Waitlist:
Dancing Puppets (Nancy Drew 39 and Titus)
Malakittens
Off the Hook (Gamma Emerald and Marcistar)

Roden

Rad
The toad
Enchant
Dwlee99
Bellaphant
Lukewarm


Willing to Feed to Polar Bears:

Cephrir
JohnnyFarrar
Corwinoid
BlueBloodedToffee
Galron
Frogsterking

This was not an intentional post.

It came with no context or reason.

It was clear that Dunn was trying to grab these reads lists to take else where.

He made it clear that he is not a Neighbor this game

We had to also reply to the game mod to confirm our roles...so Toog forgot that they would have replied neighbor or something like that to STD?

Actually that you reminded me we had to do that makes this worse in retrospect.

What do the neighbor players think of this?

That left 2 places that it was intended.

He was drafting a post, or he was grabbing it to take to his scum chat.

I wanted to see his big post before I decided which it was.

The method by which he was editing those reads lists is completely inconsistent with the post that he actually built.

Quoting reads lists, and enlarging text in 4060. Exclusively using [ Post] tags in 4079.

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After I saw the mason claim, I also did a check of who I thought that Roden's most likely mason partner was. My answer was Pooky.

I think that Dunn was grabbing those posts for a scum chat to suggest that his guess was that Pooky was Roden's mason partner, but accidentally posted it here.

Obviosuly, there is not a town motivation to highlight who you think Roden's mason partner is, so I think that this:

Roden is lying. I will give reasoning shortly.

Was the best thing that he could come up with as to why he would have posted the reads list. He had already done the work narrowing down most of the player list (I was able to confidently discredit 20 of the 25 possibilities when I looked myself), so he just had to cross off the others.

I think that is why he then said that he was discarding anyone who put one another in Null, and is pretending like masons would not totally consider putting someone in null

Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird

Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.

Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173

PookyTheMagicalBear

The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.

This whole section of his post feels like they needed to be crossed off in order for him to explain his accidental post.

This is also, basically the list of people that I had as potential Roden mason partners, with Pooky being my best guess.

Even if we were to believe that Dunn was crossing off each player, there was no reason behind making 4060. It was clearly an accident and he is pretending it wasnt.

This was not an intentional post.

It was though. That's why I bolded what I felt were the relevant parts.

This was not an intentional post.

It was though. That's why I bolded what I felt were the relevant parts.

And why it came with no context, and took you 3 mins to even have the follow up of

Roden is lying. I will give reasoning shortly.

If it was intentional for here, I feel like it would have came with 4062 intrinsically as part of it. not 3 mins later.

Or you are scum, because you highlighted the exact reason why I thought that Pooky was Roden's mason partner, while pretending that you just proved that roden has no mason partner option.

Which I don't find believeable.

And I find it more believeable that you were purposefully trying to highlight that. Just not not in this thread.

i alrdy claimed mr eko like in my first post what even is this theory rofl

I will accept that you are not his mason partner. That is irrelevant.

Dunn did not cross you off as a possibility for that reason, so does not matter.

He crossed you off entirely because you had roden as null lmao

Lets follow Dunn's methodology

Frogsterking, Cat Scratch Fever, Cytosine and Guanine, MalcolmTucker, Bellaphant, Dunnstral, Klick, Enchant

These are players who were voting for Roden, which forced him to claim. It is safe to assume that masons wouldn't be bussing, right? So these players are not masons with Roden.

Discount the people voting him.

Mood. Same.

Lukewarm, ProfessorDrapion

These players reactions following the claim make it obvious that they are not masons with Roden.

Off The Hook

In post 704 OTH writes that Roden is in their "list of interests". Post 1577 further cements that OTH is not masons with Roden.

Lets discount the people that comments on the mason claim immediate.

Again, same. Sub out my own name for Dunn's, and that was my exact thinking.

Cephrir, JohnnyFarrar, BlueBloodedToffee, RCEnigma, Rad

These players are not masons with Roden because of the way that Roden treated them.

In post 1572 Roden lists Cephrir and the toad (RCEnigma) as mafia in their reads list.

In post 2195 Roden says that BBT looks like they are "trying to create a narrative". That is not how masons talk to each other in the main thread. Also, BBT is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 2203 Roden shows that they are isoing JohnnyFarrar, and while they have a vaguely positive impression, it seems unlikely that Roden is using some of his limited thread time on reading his own mason partners iso and ending with "it's fine". Also, Johnny is listed as null in his reads before this.

In post 861 Roden says that Rad's post is "Day Vig-able"

Lets eliminate anyone that Roden has pushed.

Again, reasonable. This is exactly how I proceeded

Dancing Puppets, Taly, Mathblade

These players are all in neighborhoods. As we've learned with toogeloo, neighbors know each others flavor. The alleged other mason has the flavor "Bernard". Additionally, I think it unlikely that any neighbor would also be a mason with a completely different person.

Agreed, we can discount the people that we know are flavor neighbors with other people. I did the same thing.

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Then we hit the disconnect. Where his discredits of options to the point of being ready to out all of this, and push a mason claim stops being reasonable.

Dwlee99, T-Bone, Malakittens, Best Bird

Listed as "Null" or "TBD" in Roden's read list in post 1572, and then never mentioned again.

Best Bird has Roden as null in 1173

PookyTheMagicalBear

The last person left and the top of Roden's town list. They list Roden as null in 883.

What methodolgy was used here?

He cross referenced Roden's reads lists across the other people.

And decided that if either party listed the other party as null, it is not impossible for them to be mason partners.

I don't buy this hard and distinct disconnect from reasonable reasons to discredit mason options to this.

At best, I think that this becomes the list of people that Dunn wants to look at more closely. But he is acting like he was ready to out the whole list already at this point.

Furthermore, with the similarities between these, what is the thing that puts pooky in his own category? why would pooky be the person that he quotes the reads lists for?

The fact that Roden was town reading Pooky
vs
Both players mutually null reading the other.

That is a reason to GUESS pooky, not discredit the pooky option, nor is there a reason to prioritize quoting his reads list earlier

(Further more, Pooky moves Roden to his town reads, and in the spread sheets the are mutually town reading one another. Which is part of why I guessed Pooky)

At best, I think that this becomes the list of people that Dunn wants to look at more closely.

But he is acting like he was ready to out the whole list already at this poin

t.

AND, we were already mid discussion about forcing Roden to just out his mason partner.

We were already doing that thing at that time.

Excluding 5 people besides Pooky for no reason is weird, but it's not like anyone one of those players couldn't come in and either affirm or dispute the claim. If it was me, I'd have just claimed and left Dunn's theory dead in the water. It's not really that manipulative imo, because if Roden is actually a mason and the partner claims then everything Dunn says is moot. It really only applies if Roden is fake claiming.

So like maybe you can make an argument that Dunn knows Roden is fake claiming cause they are both scum...but that doesn't seem to be the argument you're making?

I don't think that scum!dunn wanted to make this argument.

I think that he intended to quote them, copy them, post them in a scum chat, but accidentally posted those reads lists here, and then was backed into explaining why he did that.

[MalcolmTucker]

I think your read on Dunn comes from a genuine place but personally think the slot is town based on their play so far.

[Lukewarm]

I am so over this day.