Mina and Equinox need to learn how to work together. Their conversation with Faraday is very confusing. Whoever has not read at least what I wrote about them in my wall should respond
↑DLG wrote:I read 4nxi3ty's post and was taken with the smear 3, vote someone else nature of it. Nachomamma8's questions were different than mine. I wanted answers to those as well as mine. I wasn't offering Nachomamma8's questions as my reason for voting 4nxi3ty in any way. I saw that 4nxi3ty had posted answers to Nachomamma8 before I posted, but didn't have time to read them or edit the post to acknowledge that fact.
But he didn't smear three. He said that only one of the three were scum, he did not say that all three were. His vote also makes sense because he later said that he did not know which of the three was the scum. So why would he vote for somebody with only a 33% chance of hitting scum?
↑Hinduragi wrote:Your other point before this was something about not using my meta/others' to judge Indecision. Yeah, ok. But, it was page ONE. I don't need confirmed scum reasoning to vote someone. You're acting like I do.
I said this “Why should it matter if you said it as scum before? I've said lots of things as scum but that doesn't mean that anybody who says it is scum.”
That has nothing to do with meta. My point is that just because somebody has said it as scum, doesn't mean that somebody else who says it as scum. Instead of actually giving a reason for why whatever indecision did was scum motivated you just gave this reasoning which then turned out to be wrong.
↑Hinduragi wrote:You should read my wall where I summed up reasons for voting them. I'm not repeating this. My original post contained me reading the first few posts of the game and voting instantly.
Why didn't you just wait to post until after you read the game so far and then give your complete reasoning for your vote?
↑Hinduragi wrote:3. I don't know. Should we ask my gut?
If it really is just a gut read, than you should know what about that post makes you have that gut read.
↑Hinduragi wrote:Clarification of what? Are you reading the other posts? I thought it best to ignore the "us" and just move on with the game and remember it for later. What about that makes it look like I thought it was likely to come from town? If you saw it, you should've said "ok, Nacho's either 1.) derp'ing 2.) reaction fishing 3.) being a failure of a mason or 4.) scum. 3/4 of those are town but that doesn't mean it's likely to come from town. Instead, it's best to remember it when you look at Nacho later on in the game and when you think he's actually scum, bring it up. Until then, if he's town, you might've just handed scum a mason.
That is exactly why you need clarification as to which of the 4 it actually is. I don't understand what you mean when you say “ 3/4 of those are town but that doesn't mean it's likely to come from town.”
Light green = town
Green = very town
Null = white
light red = a bit scummy
Had alot of nulls because some people only have 2 or 3 posts.
What's your reasoning behind this? Also, can you change the light green to a different color, it's hard to tell whether somebody is green or light green.
Fuck you. I hate being scum. Give me your town pulling streak thing.
Vote: Klazam
I'm trying not to sheep Faraday/Mina+Equinox.
Why did you change your vote? Did timeater dissuade you from it somehow?
↑Hinduragi wrote:I thought you were scummy for something a while ago or maybe it was during my reread, I don't really know. You've sort of just been "there" when I've been reading so I haven't paid you much attention. I'll go back to it later. For now, I've got to no-life Skyrim with the little free time have, sleep, go to work, sleep, go to a movie with a date, and I'll get back to you either during my break, before I go to work, or after all of that. I know Faraday will give me plenty of stuff to read through, though. I've been trying to spam but it's not working. I just checked and he has 77 fucking posts. I've got 20-something.
Again, why didn't you go back and read before you voted him?
↑kiwieagle wrote:All of them are light green?and vote me...because im voting someone who I think is a bit scum? (haven't you never put slightly town and slightly scum as null?)I seriously dont care.Im busy playing skyrim.
What?
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:11 am
by Zang
Here are my reads-
The top of each category is the one most likely to be town in that category and the bottom is the one most likely to be scum.
Anxiety- His posts aren't that good but he seems town. I really don't like the wagon that formed on him.
Faraday- I don't like his posts or how he pretended to hammer Anxiety but I see very little scum motivation behind him. His response to most of my questions is adequate enough.
Klazam- I have a town gut read.
Jase- Not enough information. Based on the banter on page 1 he seems town but that's not enough for a read.
Kiwieagle- Not enough information.
Oversoul- Not enough information.
Seraphim- Not enough information.
Indecision- I can see both town and scum motivation behind his posts. They confuse me. I really that they should start posting more together.
Nachomamma8- I don't like the “us” or his deal in general. Not enough information though for a read.
DLG- His first post was rather scummy but that isn't really enough for a read. I don't like his vote on Anxiety.
Timeater- His posts are terrible and very scummy but I can see them coming from idiot town. Has contributed very little.
Hinduragi- His early posts are very scummy and so are his responses to my questions. I don't like his votes either.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:29 am
by Faraday
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:37 am
by Timeater
zang calling me an idiot is classic
most of my business is on the weekends, cant do too much.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:42 am
by Jase
Fuck you Zang I was done re reading! I was there and you had to go and drop another big ass wall!
Whatever I'll read it later I got shit to do.
I'll have things to say when I get back.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:08 am
by Zang
I wouldn't have to post walls if there wasn't five extra pages every time I logged on.
↑Klazam wrote:I'm thinking about voting you because your vote is on null, when somebody is more scummy in your eyes. Go and vote who you think is scummiest. And you didnt explain why you thought Nacho and Tim is scum. And how the hell do you have a town read on Oversoul? how do you get that from two posts? IF anything, I'd say Oversoul would be scummy.
And what is it with skyrim now?
Screw it. I'm gonna
vote Kiwi
Why does oversoul strike you as scum?
.... WHY IS OVERSOUL TOWN?
Why do i find oversoul slightly scummy? it is these:
↑Klazam wrote:
Oversoul, so you’re letting Nacho “off the hook” for “catching” 4nix, or is 4nix just more scummy than Nacho?
↑Klazam wrote: Oversoul question is because Oversoul voted for Nacho, then jumped to 4nix because Nacho called 4nix scummy, which is.... nonlogicial.
(NOTE: Oversoul never answered these)
Kiwi, you just dodged all of my questions. ANSWER THEM.
A) Why is oversoul town?
B) Why are you voting somebody when you think somebody is more scummy?
C) Why is Nacho and Timeater scummy?
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:59 pm
by kiwieagle
A) ...because I dont think he is scum?
b)
unvote
c) Tommorow.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:01 pm
by kiwieagle
also its annoying when people ask you to explain things.
if I didnt explain it the first time, then could it because cause I didnt want to fucking explain?
Though you will get an answer soon.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:08 pm
by Faraday
Do you not think explaining your actions is pro town?
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:50 pm
by Zang
kiwi isn't scum.
Vote: kiwieagle
I'll explain later.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:56 pm
by Klazam
WTF
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:03 pm
by kiwieagle
↑Faraday wrote:Do you not think explaining your actions is pro town?
I consider not explaining a null tell.
and since when is it important that I look townish?
im not a PR; nor am I scum. So I see no reason.
You might say that it could save us from a mislynch.
I'm trying to illustrate that not explaining your actions is idiotic, anti-town and scummy.
It is not important to look ”townish” but to actually be pro-town which does not happen by not explaining your actions. You need to think of the town as a whole instead of just yourself.
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:02 pm
by kiwieagle
...which is why I will explain it tomorrow once I can actually type well instead of slowly writing a small line of text in my cellphone
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:25 pm
by DLG
Zang wrote:But he didn't smear three. He said that only one of the three were scum, he did not say that all three were. His vote also makes sense because he later said that he did not know which of the three was the scum. So why would he vote for somebody with only a 33% chance of hitting scum?
If a player says one of {A,B,C} is scum, all three are subject to the impact of that. Other players are now obligated to consider what made 4nxi3ty say that. If they did not have that opinion, they have to at least consider if they missed something. Yes, he did smear three.
If you want to talk about it strictly in terms of percentages, he should vote with a 33% chance because 33% > 25% > 22%. I'll explain that if you need me to.
Zang wrote:DLG- His first post was rather scummy but that isn't really enough for a read. I don't like his vote on Anxiety.
Rather scummy, eh? Why?
It is obvious you don't like my vote on 4nxi3ty. Why?
Why are you defending 4nxi3ty with faulty arguments? It is no less scummy to do this than attack someone with faulty arguments.
Scum reasons for this are multi-fold.
1. You two
could
be scum together. But, that argument would only be valid if one of you were to flip scum.
2. If you are scum and 4nxi3ty is town, however, you flipping scum would cause 4nxi3ty to inherit suspicion unfairly due to 1.
3. If you are scum and 4nxi3ty is town, your protection of him is buddying to buy his trust.
VOTE: Zang
Your list of reasons for your reads is full of value judgements on the quality of various posts, and things you "don't like". Who gives a rat's ass what you like or think is not up to your standard of quality? This is scummy because it gives an appearance of analysis, without tethering you to any real scum/town analysis.
Faraday wrote:
unvote, vote klazam
jesus fucking christ.
Just because he didn't get the point of Timeater's vote post?
Or, is there something else?
