Well lookie there! I was kind enough to give you a choice!
Look at all the options you have now, Yos:
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Lynch me, then "oops well I guess UN was right and I'm an idiot"
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Lynch me, then "oops well I guess UN was telling the truth... but UN's still an idiot"
<-- here's where you're at
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Cackle evilly because, as scum, you found a good reason to mislynch somebody
<-- you might be here too *shrug*
or, -
None of the above
<-- the smart option... if you're town that is
Vi, the reason I'm not voting Parama is because Yos is doing the whole
"More people will side with me anyway, so I'll grasp at straws and/or bully this townie into looking scummy and then when all's said and done nobody will suspect me because my target clearly deserved it because look at our join dates lol"
Or you could, you know, actually act in a pro-town way and respond to people's legitimate concerns about your play in a rational way, instead of going through every single type of emotionally manipulative BS you can think of to get people to not lynch you. "You'll feel bad when you lynch me and I flip town" isn't going to work, and neither is the "Oh, poor me, Yos is bullying me, just look at our join dates".
Pro-tip: the "You're bullying the newbie" defense may have worked for you in the past, but it gets really old when your join is 5 months ago.
↑charter wrote:Vi, why did you wait until 52 to vote shos? Why not vote in 48?
I think Vi is scum. She has done nothing but push easy lynches on Shos and Parama, who, despite her claims, is not obvscum.
Unvote, Vote Vi
Yos and Nuwen, what is your read on Vi?
Vi isn't even kind of the lynch today, put your vote somewhere useful.
Scum do NOT often take an immediately post-RVS case and run with it for pages. You might see this behavior in less than one of any twenty mafia games with competent, attentive people. Scum have a tendency to chime in on formed wagons riiiiight about NOW in the gamestate, or lurk behind their RVS vote until there's enough content to compile a case.
Yes, clearly all scum follow the exact path you just laid out No one in this game could possibly smart enough to deviate from it. If you want me to vote someone besides Vi, you should try something productive (such as make a better case against someone than your case against Quilford), instead of whatever that mess was.
Starting to get suspicious of UN, as well. He is going way over the top with how everyone should think he is obvtown. Doubt anyone thinks he's obvtown. Plus he's going over the top with his buddying.
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:14 am
by Vi
↑UberNinja wrote:Look at all the options you have now, Yos:
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<Yos2 is Town>
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<Yos2 is Town>
<-- here's where you're at
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<Yos2 is Scum>
<-- you might be here too *shrug*
or, -
<Yos2 backs off of you>
<-- the smart option... if you're town that is
Vi, the reason I'm not voting Parama is because
<reason that has nothing to do with Parama>
And
<that reason, which as shown above evidently leaves room for doubt is>
for killin.
I'm just saiyan.
--
charter, are you scum, or are you just acting like it?
I can certainly grant that in the past you have tunneled on me for the most retarded reasons and made unbearably scummy posts as Town.
But you've also done it as scum too, so I thought I'd check.
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:27 pm
by UberNinja
Yes Regis, I'd like to call in a Lifeline:
charter, am I acting how I acted in Mini 1318?
second question: is the above question WIFOM?
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:58 pm
by Chiarosicada
Quilford wrote:i was getting shitty gut reactions from Parama's voters because of the way they handled the wagon, but I find their reasoning for parama being scum as valid
Can you elaborate on this? If their reasoning for Parama being scum is valid, aren't you implying that either 1. they're bussing Parama or 2. there's more than one scumgroup?
UberNinja wrote:Furc, read the link I posted to Mini 1318. You too, Chiaro. It's 3 pages tops; not asking you to meta me or anything, but it's stupid to lynch someone on page 3, and I just destroyed a town that did it to a VI. Shos, while he may be a VI-scum, is still a bad idea to lynch. The guy in Mini 1318 literally claimed scum, and he was still a townie.
I agree that it would be a bad idea to lynch shos. However, I don't think any player except maybe shos himself saw the wagon going anywhere, and I don't think you're an exception. As such, I see your words and unvote as oppotunistic white-knighting.
However, you were also the first to draw attention to Parama, who I'm also finding scummy for claiming scum. Frankly, I wasn't comfortable calling him out on it due to knowledge of his meta but Vi's vote gives me more confidence. I'm not sure what to make of your interactions with him.
Quilford wrote:i was getting shitty gut reactions from Parama's voters because of the way they handled the wagon, but I find their reasoning for parama being scum as valid
Can you elaborate on this? If their reasoning for Parama being scum is valid, aren't you implying that either 1. they're bussing Parama or 2. there's more than one scumgroup?
Nope!
a) Just because their reasoning for Parama being scum is valid doesn't mean he is scum. That's what mislynches are. :)
b) Getting shitty gut reactions does not equal thinking someone is scum. This is the same mistake that Nuwen made and the resulting argument which it spawned has completely consumed my recent posts. I'm at a loss as to how you've missed them.
Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:43 pm
by Vi
↑UberNinja wrote:Yes Regis, I'd like to call in a Lifeline:
charter, am I acting how I acted in Mini 1318?
second question: is the above question WIFOM?
This must be from that crappy revised version of the show. That doesn't look like Phone-A-Friend at all.
Hey Qwilfish, do you have a stance on Parama other than/beyond "he's doing scummy things but I'm totally not going to vote him"?
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:34 am
by Quilford
I didn't vote him then because it would be a hammer. I'm not voting him now because it's not worth the effort.
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 3:20 am
by Quilford
vote nuwen
because she's scum go go go
Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:43 am
by UberNinja
↑Chiarosicada wrote:I don't think any player except maybe shos himself saw the wagon going anywhere, and I don't think you're an exception. As such, I see your words and unvote as oppotunistic white-knighting.
I am very serious about lynching shos. I won't lie, I have pulled the white-knighting thing as scum before (the game was deleted), but I am really genuine in my reasons for not wanting to lynch shos (yet). Namely, because I just won a game as scum where we lynched town Day 1 in 3 pages and town never recovered from the suspicion and infighting brought about as to whose fault that was. If I was scum, I kid you not, I would have ridden his wagon until death did us part.
↑Chiarosicada wrote:However, you were also the first to draw attention to Parama, who I'm also finding scummy for claiming scum. Frankly, I wasn't comfortable calling him out on it due to knowledge of his meta but Vi's vote gives me more confidence. I'm not sure what to make of your interactions with him.
And yet you are voting me instead of him? I'm not sure what to make of your post #112:
↑Chiarosicada wrote:UNVOTE: VOTE: uberninja
I have a feeling parama's going to give me headaches this game. I always had trouble reading belligerent players with bombastic posting styles.
↑Chiarosicada wrote:UNVOTE: VOTE: uberninja
I have a feeling parama's going to give me headaches this game. I always had trouble reading belligerent players with bombastic posting styles.
Why vote
me
without reasoning, and then say someone
else
is going to give you headaches?
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↑shos wrote:I'm actually also for a parama wagon, but at the moment a nnja wagon s more likely. these are the highest two on the list, followed by Kanya
are you seriously implying that you suck this much at mafia
if you are then that's okay, you can join a handful of other people itt
UberNinja 263 wrote:Unvote; Vote: shos
shos/Parama/Chiarosicada, anyone?
after you play for a while
you'll wind up in a bunch of scenarios where you make a list and then vote for the only townie on the list, and then go back to square one only to find postgame that the rest of your list was correct
this is probably going to be one of those
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also why is vezokparamathrd not only still alive, but virtually not-voted-for
you'll wind up in a bunch of scenarios where you make a list and then vote for the only townie on the list, and then go back to square one only to find postgame that the rest of your list was correct
you'll wind up in a bunch of scenarios where you make a list and then vote for the only townie on the list, and then go back to square one only to find postgame that the rest of your list was correct
Quilford wrote:i was getting shitty gut reactions from Parama's voters because of the way they handled the wagon, but I find their reasoning for parama being scum as valid
Can you elaborate on this? If their reasoning for Parama being scum is valid, aren't you implying that either 1. they're bussing Parama or 2. there's more than one scumgroup?
UberNinja wrote:Furc, read the link I posted to Mini 1318. You too, Chiaro. It's 3 pages tops; not asking you to meta me or anything, but it's stupid to lynch someone on page 3, and I just destroyed a town that did it to a VI. Shos, while he may be a VI-scum, is still a bad idea to lynch. The guy in Mini 1318 literally claimed scum, and he was still a townie.
I agree that it would be a bad idea to lynch shos. However, I don't think any player except maybe shos himself saw the wagon going anywhere, and I don't think you're an exception. As such, I see your words and unvote as oppotunistic white-knighting.
However, you were also the first to draw attention to Parama, who I'm also finding scummy for claiming scum. Frankly, I wasn't comfortable calling him out on it due to knowledge of his meta but Vi's vote gives me more confidence. I'm not sure what to make of your interactions with him
.
Chiaro basically promised to come with more contribution about three RL days ago and this is the only thing he has managed to produce? Really?
Ew. This has to be one of the worst posts (if not, the worst) in this thread so far. First of all its so wishy washy it hurts. It also takes the opportunity to tag along with another's opinion. (Which is what, the second time Chiaro parrots another players thoughts?). It also looks like something a buddy would use as an excuse to vote for a partner.
shos's interaction to his wagon is scummy
why wouldn't he have addressed this in #224, nothing has changed since then
he's scum skimming, and milking the votecount
No one in this game could possibly smart enough to deviate from it. If you want me to vote someone besides Vi, you should try something productive (such as make a better case against someone than your case against Quilford), instead of whatever that mess was.