4 PeaceBringer (Jaguar, MMCL, Mackay, Seol)
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Assuming Seol is telling the truth - and there is no reason for him not to be given the circumstance and the understanding we came to on day one/day two, then I can see what he is doing completely.
I disagreed with the Max lynch - hence my switch back to Jag - but Max was the right choice overall... why? Her role was passive until being targetted. I was subtly suggesting the cop (who I believed was Seol, but not 100% sure at the time) should target max. Why? To get 2 investigations the following night, since that's what Max's role gave. The advantage would be two more innocents/scum confirmations and we could narrow down the suspects.
I didn't know at the time that Seol had been motivated on night one - so my suggestion was not necessary.
PB - your inactivity is something to answer for. The fact that you are one away from lynch with an eager Mneme on your tail is reason enough to claim.
I disagreed with the Max lynch - hence my switch back to Jag - but Max was the right choice overall... why? Her role was passive until being targetted. I was subtly suggesting the cop (who I believed was Seol, but not 100% sure at the time) should target max. Why? To get 2 investigations the following night, since that's what Max's role gave. The advantage would be two more innocents/scum confirmations and we could narrow down the suspects.
I didn't know at the time that Seol had been motivated on night one - so my suggestion was not necessary.
PB - your inactivity is something to answer for. The fact that you are one away from lynch with an eager Mneme on your tail is reason enough to claim.
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Townie is too convenient a claim. Especially in Phoebus' games.
PB, we've several times told you that we find your low participation suspicious. You have posted very little content, even though the rest of us, with the exception of halfpint (whom we haven't seen in a long time and should be
Yet, you have done nothing to change that. My vote stands and I am more confident than ever that it is right.
PB, we've several times told you that we find your low participation suspicious. You have posted very little content, even though the rest of us, with the exception of halfpint (whom we haven't seen in a long time and should be
replaced
if possible) and Werebear (who was also under suspicion as you have seen) have posted lots that can be used for arguments for or against a person and certainly for ample participation. Yet, you have done nothing to change that. My vote stands and I am more confident than ever that it is right.
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Alrighty then. Have read all the thread and feel nearly caught up to things.
So our cop outs everybody but Werebear, MMCL, and Jaguar innocent? I'm willing to believe that, since I'm innocent (halfpint, by investigation, per the cop), so then
I'm not convinced that either MMCL or Jaguar are particularly innocent just because LML jumped on them. Too much movement in between them, and no way for me to convincingly tell which one he was really trying to frame. Will hold off on them, for the mo'.
Also, with PeaceBringer identified as "Goon", and as nephew of LML, does that make "Framer" equivalent to "Godfather", or should we assume that there's still a GF out there somewhere? Am somewhat confused by what the mod's revealing.
So our cop outs everybody but Werebear, MMCL, and Jaguar innocent? I'm willing to believe that, since I'm innocent (halfpint, by investigation, per the cop), so then
vote Werebear
, even though I adore him so. I'm not convinced that either MMCL or Jaguar are particularly innocent just because LML jumped on them. Too much movement in between them, and no way for me to convincingly tell which one he was really trying to frame. Will hold off on them, for the mo'.
Also, with PeaceBringer identified as "Goon", and as nephew of LML, does that make "Framer" equivalent to "Godfather", or should we assume that there's still a GF out there somewhere? Am somewhat confused by what the mod's revealing.
It's better to be lucky than skilled, surely. However, it's a lot easier to be skilled twice than lucky twice.
Of course, the maf might be banking on our lynching Werebear today anyway.
Does anyone know anything about the lacks of kills so far? There can't be too many baddies left.
I tried to post yesterday, but mith's mojo died at exactly the wrong time. Basically I said that my vote will go to either Jag or Werebear, depending on what Seol turns up (if anything relevant to either of these two).
Also, with regard to Orb's comment about the Godfather or lack thereof, I had guessed that there was still a GF out there due to Seol's guilty result on LML. But that was before I realised we DID have an SK who died night 1 - so an un-night-killable GF was also possible. I thought there'd be no point without anyone able to kill them. =)
I still think there is probably a GF, though.
Does anyone know anything about the lacks of kills so far? There can't be too many baddies left.
I tried to post yesterday, but mith's mojo died at exactly the wrong time. Basically I said that my vote will go to either Jag or Werebear, depending on what Seol turns up (if anything relevant to either of these two).
Also, with regard to Orb's comment about the Godfather or lack thereof, I had guessed that there was still a GF out there due to Seol's guilty result on LML. But that was before I realised we DID have an SK who died night 1 - so an un-night-killable GF was also possible. I thought there'd be no point without anyone able to kill them. =)
I still think there is probably a GF, though.
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Phoebus' e-mails have started going to my junkbox, and I've lost the result from my investigation, which was on Jaguar. I've asked him to re-send. Obviously, if she comes up guilty, my vote's going straight on her and nothing more need be said, so these are my thoughts for the case where she investigates innocent.
Current thoughts - it's curious nobody died again, particularly that Werebear didn't die. However, I think it unlikely that there simply isn't a doctor in the game, so with the absence of a counterclaim, I don't think the lack of him being dead indicts him. Of course, if there is "another" doctor out there, with only one scum left, a counterclaim (proving one a liar) is game over for them, so this is one of those occasional circumstances where a doc counterclaim is advisable.
Assuming Jag comes up as innocent, that then means I have innocent results on everyone apart from Werebear and MMCL, both of whom I have other reasons to have faith in, which leads me to believe it's likely there is a GF out there. This could also explain the lack of kill last night - many GFs only investigate as innocent when they don't submit the kill, and if Werebear, Jag or MMCL were scum, it would be pragmatic to try and make sure they were cleared.
Other possibilities is that the kill was roleblocked, or prevented by means other than doc protection, or that the scum actually can't kill any more for some reason (which would explain the total lack of kills since night 1).
MMCL, something's been bugging me:
2: Nobody has counterclaimed cop. If I am lying, not only is there no cop, but I somehow knew that ahead of time.
I have some other thoughts as well, but that's enough for now.
Current thoughts - it's curious nobody died again, particularly that Werebear didn't die. However, I think it unlikely that there simply isn't a doctor in the game, so with the absence of a counterclaim, I don't think the lack of him being dead indicts him. Of course, if there is "another" doctor out there, with only one scum left, a counterclaim (proving one a liar) is game over for them, so this is one of those occasional circumstances where a doc counterclaim is advisable.
Assuming Jag comes up as innocent, that then means I have innocent results on everyone apart from Werebear and MMCL, both of whom I have other reasons to have faith in, which leads me to believe it's likely there is a GF out there. This could also explain the lack of kill last night - many GFs only investigate as innocent when they don't submit the kill, and if Werebear, Jag or MMCL were scum, it would be pragmatic to try and make sure they were cleared.
Other possibilities is that the kill was roleblocked, or prevented by means other than doc protection, or that the scum actually can't kill any more for some reason (which would explain the total lack of kills since night 1).
MMCL, something's been bugging me:
Here you were discussing the cop coming out using the Captain's extra kills as a justification, and acknowledged that if the Captain is spent, the entire argument is undermined - thus indicating you believe the Captain probably can kill again, otherwise why would you make that argument? Yet later that day you say:MMCL wrote:I'm guessing I was targetted for maybe/maybe not having information, and someone (a good doctor) decided to protect... Of course, I'm probably being a bit egotistical by saying that... but that would also suggest that are scum took a chance as well. Who knows... either way - a good day. Definately town with the advantage!
The ending of day one was quick and decisive. Now the good captain made a good choice IMO.... I wonder if he can make more of these choices. If he can, it may be useful for a cop to make himself apparent. The captain is a direct threat (in a combo with a doc and cop) to mafia and we need to use every advantage we have. EG He needs the cops info to choose the right people and the doc is there to protect the outcoming cop.
Such a skill is likely to be limited... one or two shot is my guess given the game-size but
Of course this is a suggestion for discussion - nothing else, and it depends if the Captain has an additional choice or not. If he is spent, a different game must be played.
What made you change your mind about how many kills the Captain would have access to?MMCL wrote:Considering the game size I doubt the mod gave the captain more than a one-shot actually. So Im guessing we are lucky that he chose LML. My earlier post speculating on the Captain's ability doesn't make much sense now but we do have the advantage in numbers come Day Two and a failed kill last night.
1: I have effectively handed the townMMCL wrote:Of course this could be a huge Seol gambit... he could be the GF - have dobbed his partners in and is just telling us what we already know - we are all innocent.
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scum. If it's a gambit, I've risked everything.2: Nobody has counterclaimed cop. If I am lying, not only is there no cop, but I somehow knew that ahead of time.
I have some other thoughts as well, but that's enough for now.
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Just speculation by me.. I like to consider all alternatives... hence my overall understanding but disagreeing with the Max lynch.
The captain has a powerful role - whomever that may be ! I seem to be the only one interested in using that further. However since nobody replied I dropped the idea. Nothing changed my mind. Im guessing the captain has always had the same number of choices (eg 1 or 2 shot or multiple). Either way - a Day Vigi - is extremeley useful.
If it was a 1-shot then Im guessing the Captain is just a townie now.
Yes the gambit... and its a tactic I myself used after a scumbuddy in my last game on mafiascum 'No Exit' mafia (to be precise) made a sloppy mistake.
The captain has a powerful role - whomever that may be ! I seem to be the only one interested in using that further. However since nobody replied I dropped the idea. Nothing changed my mind. Im guessing the captain has always had the same number of choices (eg 1 or 2 shot or multiple). Either way - a Day Vigi - is extremeley useful.
If it was a 1-shot then Im guessing the Captain is just a townie now.
Yes the gambit... and its a tactic I myself used after a scumbuddy in my last game on mafiascum 'No Exit' mafia (to be precise) made a sloppy mistake.
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Hi Orbiting! Welcome to the game
If we have a godfather in our midst, we can kiss those investigation reports goodbye... The remaining scum will not be found by police in that case.
Before we get going on the bandwagon on me again, MMCL, let me expand on the role claim that I made day 1. I am a little spoiled brat. My parents are apparently too lazy to watch over me and for fun I lock people up at night.
Night one I locked up Pooky (now mneme), nights 2 and 3 I blocked PeaceBringer (hence my conviction that he was scum) and last night I blocked mneme. Either Werebear as doc and protected properly or I blocked someone from killing or there is a third variable that I'm not aware of at this time.
I'm willing to
If we have a godfather in our midst, we can kiss those investigation reports goodbye... The remaining scum will not be found by police in that case.
Before we get going on the bandwagon on me again, MMCL, let me expand on the role claim that I made day 1. I am a little spoiled brat. My parents are apparently too lazy to watch over me and for fun I lock people up at night.
Night one I locked up Pooky (now mneme), nights 2 and 3 I blocked PeaceBringer (hence my conviction that he was scum) and last night I blocked mneme. Either Werebear as doc and protected properly or I blocked someone from killing or there is a third variable that I'm not aware of at this time.
I'm willing to
vote: mneme
at this time.I need a new tagline...