Micro 164: Epic Mafia (Game Over)

[fuzzybutternut]

Yeah, i realized that. Shit happens. Get over it.

[Jake from State Farm]

something I read during confirmation makes me think bubba is town, fuzzy is being more agressive but I only have 1 game to reference which is ongoing.

I still like a rob lynch

[Piratecat]

Damn. I had noticed the rmp thing, and was hoping I would get a null read to point it out to find someone who was actively reading and scumhunting. Instead, my strongest town read points it out. Meh.

Jake, you still haven't given any reason you even think I'm scum, so it's all kind of lol. You're also looking at relational tells before anyone flips, which is doing it wrong.

I'm quite surprised on the lack of it being pointed out. I'm even more surprised that FUZZY DIDN'T point it out. It makes no sense to me why Fuzzy didn't point it out because Fuzzy WAS the one RMP was in the discussion with.

I

really, really, really

don't like the fact Fuzzy is lining up lynches right now.

@Fuzzy - How is vote hopping a scum-tell?

____

I'm going to right now:

UNVOTE:

I'm currently chatting with Mollie..

We feel that Rob is likely town and we are currently unsure on Fuzzy and RMP. She thinks RMP is scum and I replied the slip was 'lol' worthy.

Fuzzy might be a slight town read only due to how he is seen when he plays scum. He tries to replicate good town behavior and I don't really see him doing that here.

[Rob14]

Oh, I see the misunderstanding. You actually do lack reading comprehension skills. The first bit was a not-so-subtle insult, since you had just finished insulting the MS site as a whole. I stand by my read entirely.

And I never said I townread Dav/Fuzzy because we've played Minecraft together. I had a null lean town on him at one point. More recently, I was more suspicious of him. Again, misrep.

I also never said I knew Dav/Fuzzy's play. Playing Minecraft and playing Mafia are two different skillsets. I've never played Mafia with Dav before - that's part of the reason I signed up for this game. Another misrep.

P-edit: Piratecat, can we be in-thread mason buddies? I feel like we should be in-thread mason buddies. On a serious note, how much experience do you two have with playing with Dav/Fuzzy?

[Piratecat]

hi guys!

mollie head here!

I think bubba and rpm are scum

really thinking rob is town. if jake is being so stubborn that the world will end if he doesn't change his mind and he is still sticking with that read he is probably town. also scum don't give out gut reads and then defend them. bbmolla, think of the audio game where you had an early gut scum read on me. I just happen to think he is wrong this time but gut reads are hard to substantiate so scum won't usually use them.

unsure lean town on fuzzy

anyways that is what I got so far

oh hai where did catboi go

[Piratecat]

In-thread mason buddies sounds fun. Let'ssssssdoittt. (Ironically, I hate buddying, but this sounds fun)

Mala side doesn't have much experience with Fuzzy. I have played 1 completed game and 1 ongoing. Completed game he was town in and is displaying similar things here as he did there.

[fuzzybutternut]

I didn't notice the slip. I've got other things going on right now.

P-edit: they were both in my first game. I've played with Mollie more than Mala.

[bubbajack8]

who is Mollie?

P:Edit 2 oh hi Mollie!

P:Edit Rob, I call you out on something and you backpedal..

You town read him because you are Minecraft buddies. You gave no reason to him being town besides saying some weird name for him (his Minecraft name) and that he was town.

Dav is looking null lean town.

This was all the reasoning you gave on "Dav" being town.

For everyone's reference, when I say Dav, I'm referring to fuzzybutternut. I play with him on the MafiaScum Minecraft server, where his username is davroe with some numbers tacked on that I can never remember. So again, Dav or Davroe = fuzzybutternut. This is not something I'm going to stop doing, so make a mental note.

Then you say you call him Dav because you play Minecraft with him. I am not misrepping you. You said null lean town because you are his friend. Forget friendships Outside of Game and realize he could be scum.

Rmp does that to me every game. She fos me until I am able to show I am not the mafia. And even then she is still weary of me.

I did not misrep you.

[Piratecat]

I just checked to see if Catboi was posting elsewhere and he hasn't been. So he simply may just be busy, asleep or something else right now. Not holding his silence against him yet. I still disagree with things he said before regarding the vig.

@Bubba -

Post 115 wasn't a reason at all. He was just clarifying the name for pete's sake. I don't even see how you could see that as a reasoning to call him town.

[Piratecat]

rpm mischaracterised the fuck out of one of rob's earlier posts and deflected and then redirected a victim based scum sledge response to him. re : "if you do not like em players then don't play with us!!!!" type of post pinged like a mofo cos rob had said nothing of the sort

[Piratecat]

And I am/will continue to take your thoughts and those of other EM players into consideration. All I've said is that I will apply the same analysis that I would use on MSers reads to determine their usefulness when analyzing your reads. If I haven't communicated that well, then that's my bad.

At the moment, I disagree with you, though, on the subject of Dav/fuzzy. Not reading/fully understanding the setup is a minor town read, not a scum read. Scum are on the look out for PR tells, so the first thing they do in an open is read the setup to determine what PR tells they're looking for. And until you explain to me the scum motivation behind voting a no lynch, I don't think that is a tell one way or the other.

[bubbajack8]

Scum motivation for a nl. Town NLS Mafia kills. We are now in Mylo.

Not reading the setup could be read as a "town read" But he was trying to remember the setup "based off of memory" as well, so it's not like he didn't care about the setup.

Yet again A great post of Rob defending his scum / Minecraft buddy Fuzzy. Thanks Pirate.

[Piratecat]

Repeat after me..

Rob

isn't

scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

Bubba needs to look up the meaning of "misrep"

....
I'm not posting anymore tonight. I'm liable to say somethin' that'll get me banned.

[Rob14]

rpm mischaracterised the fuck out of one of rob's earlier posts and deflected and then redirected a victim based scum sledge response to him. re : "if you do not like em players then don't play with us!!!!" type of post pinged like a mofo cos rob had said nothing of the sort

Actually, I was truthfully kind of a dick in the first few pages of this game. I didn't consider that pingy at all - I considered it rpm (possibly correctly) being angry at perceived slights against EM players on a personal level. That's why in the next few pages I apologized and tried to back off doing that, as I don't want to be the reason for someone disliking MS as a whole because I'm being an asshole about the site they came from. Even if I were to find that post scummy (I don't), I wouldn't hold it against rpm. I never hold emotional posts with regards to being angry at something someone else said (on a personal level) as scummy as a matter of policy. Sometimes the little things set you off. Read my first game on site to get some of my perspective on that.

Scum motivation for a nl. Town NLS Mafia kills. We are now in Mylo.

We aren't going to no lynch. Anyone who's been even remotely around MS for even a little while knows that no lynch is almost never done (except in the case of jester) and a call to do so almost always results in immediate pressure (except in the case of jester). Therefore, scum-Dav/Fuzzy, knowing the site meta, has no reason to do that. It draws unneeded pressure on himself while having no hope of accomplishing anything.

What you said is like saying that anyone voting someone other than confirmed scum has scum motivation because they could be voting a townie. That's not what analyzing motivations is. Think deeper. Critical thinking skills....activate!

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:

[Piratecat]

@ rob

are we reading the same game yes or no cos if you were being a dick it did not even register

imo I don't think you were and nothing about what you said really struck me. the response was more manipulative than not, and something I have noticed about em players is they go harder for emo manipu than the average ms player

I haven't even played on em I am just basing it on my experience with em players here and there seems to be a lot of them. mebbe she will do something sparkley and I will change my mind

[bubbajack8]

We may have not no lynched but if you don't feel like lynching don't vote no one. There's something called an UNVOTE. Now quit defending fuzzy.

[Piratecat]

bubba you seem rattled are you rattled

[Rob14]

@ rob

are we reading the same game yes or no cos if you were being a dick it did not even register

imo I don't think you were and nothing about what you said really struck me. the response was more manipulative than not, and something I have noticed about em players is they go harder for emo manipu than the average ms player

I haven't even played on em I am just basing it on my experience with em players here and there seems to be a lot of them. mebbe she will do something sparkley and I will change my mind

Maybe I'm more sensitive to this than most, but I thought I went a bit over the line a few times. Either way, no reason to talk about this more. Again, reading my first game on site would give my perspective on asshole-ry in mafia games. I nearly quit the site after my first game due to an unfortunate incident that occurred at an unfortunate time - I don't want to cause someone else to do that.

@Bubba - "Stop highlighting the inadequacies in my arguments, damn it!"

[Piratecat]

was it scum who was pushing your emotional buttons?

[bubbajack8]

town pushing your scum buttons.

Rattled?

@Rob: not sure if that's sarcasm. If not. Make better arguments.

[Rob14]

was it scum who was pushing your emotional buttons?

It was town pushing some buttons that related to some real life situations I was going through at the time. I will not go into more detail than that.

[Piratecat]

town pushing your scum buttons.

Rattled?

lookit u try

who was that even directed to, lol

[Rob14]

town pushing your scum buttons.

Rattled?

@Rob: not sure if that's sarcasm. If not. Make better arguments.

The fact that I was scum in that game has no bearing on anything, you realize, right? I posted about that game merely as a means for someone to gain perspective on why I'm reacting to rpm's anger at perceived slights in the way that I did. If you wish to draw a direct parallel, which I did not intend anyone to do, then I would be in the position of the townie doing the insulting, not the scum doing the "being angry".

The more important lesson to draw from that game is my alignment didn't matter as to how I reacted. I would have reacted the same way as town. As I said in my last post, some of the insults hurled at me in that game, as minor as they seemed to the person saying them, corresponded to specific real-life situations I was going through at the time that pushed some buttons that didn't need to be pushed. You can't analyze that type of reaction. It's independent of alignment. That's why I brought it up in the first place - I don't think it's fair by a long shot for piratecat to analyze rpm's anger towards me early on in the game. There are certain things you just don't question, even in Mafia. One of those things is someone asking you to stop insulting them. If you try to consider town/scum motivations behind such a thing, then you're going to be an asshole and nobody will like you. I tried not to be that asshole, which is why I responded to rpm's posts the way I did.

Meanwhile, I'm done talking or responding to Bubba, because if I continue to do that, I'll say things I'll regret.