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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:34 am
by Svenskt Stål
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:35 am
by GuyInFreezer
How is miller tracker two roles
P-Edit: I got a girl too.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:36 am
by Varsoon
Sven, do you think there's scum pushing on your wagon?
If so, who?
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:36 am
by Nachomamma8
Ffery, the differences I am not comfortable with:
Sven's breakdown in the other game was gradual, and he did a lot of hunting before he went down. Here, I gave him time to get something going and he gave me a half-hearted vote someone who posted absolutely nothing scummy and I sure as hell know that he can give me something better than that. He gave me excuses why he wasn't here, he hasn't shown any of his normal aggresssion this game.
In that game, he appealed outside of the person who was voting him. He made you explain his towniness to him because he was confident in it; here he discredited the hell out of me after saying "oh yeah, you and orc are doing good". In the other game, he was faced with a situation where he was pushing a read, no one was listening to him, people will clearing his scumread that was pushing him for retarded reasons. Here he just crumbled, no attempts to do anything. I can bring insane pressure when I want to. This is nowhere near what I am capable of. Sven is also ignoring all of the game while I was attacking him, he didn't do that in borkgame.
I hate the claim. Saying "I give up" then claiming NOT HIS FULL ROLE is complete and total bullshit. If he gave it up, he's put it all on the table. But the "tracker" portion was an afterthought. That says "oh, miller claim scummy? better add town utility to it.".
There's the difference in between him saying "I'm replacing out" and "I give up" but clearly not giving up; one is genuine regardless of alignment, the other is pretty fucking bullshit considering he didn't even need to take a step back from the game.
Finally, my gut loves Sven. I love Sven. He's not playing to his usual self, and he knows that. But going for the discredit instead of taking my reach out when I give it to him is pretty strongly scum vibes.
Pedit: There's the "oh man this role is so shitty why am I stuck with it!!!" scumtell which is fucking strange considering a minute ago he was talking about how he was going to be accepted as town and nightkilled.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:37 am
by Svenskt Stål
well it usually is the case... you are a miller, or you are a tracker.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:38 am
by Mac
It's the same as like bulletproof vig or whatever. just combined.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:38 am
by Varsoon
As usual, it is hard for me to disagree with Nacho.
I'm a girl, too. Girl-power, I guess.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:40 am
by GuyInFreezer
@Mac: Then that's one role, not two.
Unless other ppl accepts "miller tracker" is two roles, I firmly believe that it's a scumslip.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:41 am
by Svenskt Stål
In post 252, Varsoon wrote:Sven, do you think there's scum pushing on your wagon?
If so, who?
i think nacho is town, very diffrent from the amnesiac game where we both scummed.'
i think pushing me is kinda towny overall... since scum knows i am telling the truth they will have an easier time seeing my logic, town will just go "WIFOOOOM, KILLL IT WITH FIRE".
i usually work backwards anyway, find town, limit the pool of where to find scum.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:42 am
by Svenskt Stål
In post 257, GuyInFreezer wrote:@Mac: Then that's one role, not two.
Unless other ppl accepts "miller tracker" is two roles, I firmly believe that it's a scumslip.
wow.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:43 am
by Mac
In post 257, GuyInFreezer wrote:@Mac: Then that's one role, not two.
Unless other ppl accepts "miller tracker" is two roles, I firmly believe that it's a scumslip.
it is two roles. merged into one.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:44 am
by Varsoon
@Sven:
Ah, who do you think is town, so far?
@GIF:
I could see where he would understand miller-tracker as two roles.
253 is too compelling, though.
I really like Sven's claim more and more now. It feels like a litmus test for town/scum.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:46 am
by Varsoon
Anyway, I'm out for the day.
I'd like for town to shift focus from Sven and look at everyone else in this game. It's a big game, so keep your heads up and don't tunnel.
We've got time to evaluate a few people before day ends.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:47 am
by Nachomamma8
In post 262, Varsoon wrote:Anyway, I'm out for the day.
I'd like for town to shift focus from Sven and look at everyone else in this game. It's a big game, so keep your heads up and don't tunnel.
We've got time to evaluate a few people before day ends.
I am. I'm reading everyone else who's posted anything significant as town, and I have decent reasoning for all of it.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:49 am
by GuyInFreezer
Hey nacho what do you think of sven mentioning two roles?
I need a different view because I think sven slipped up and trying to get out of it.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:50 am
by Cabd
In post 169, Cabd wrote:Is there some past history about policying rach that I'm not aware of?
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:51 am
by Nachomamma8
I think it was actually a good call for you to attack him for that reasoning. Thinking of his "miller tracker" as two roles is pretty weird, but it would make sense for him to think of them as two roles since they were two different fakeclaims. I don't like scumslips in general though.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:52 am
by Cabd
Because this didn't make any sense to me. And it still doesn't.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:52 am
by Nachomamma8
For him, maybe. I don't vote Rach unless I think she's scum.
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:52 am
by Svenskt Stål
In post 264, GuyInFreezer wrote:Hey nacho what do you think of sven mentioning two roles?
I need a different view because I think sven slipped up and trying to get out of it.
x said he wanted some cool role
i have two
i am miller
i am tracker
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:53 am
by BeautyAndTheBeast
hi guys!
reading the thread now. I had forgotten that majiffy even signed us up for this game.
nacho and orc are town
that was my reaction
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:54 am
by Svenskt Stål
In post 261, Varsoon wrote:@Sven:
Ah, who do you think is town, so far?
@GIF:
I could see where he would understand miller-tracker as two roles.
253 is too compelling, though.
I really like Sven's claim more and more now. It feels like a litmus test for town/scum.
nacho and orc are town
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:54 am
by ²
In post 270, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:hi guys!
reading the thread now. I had forgotten that majiffy even signed us up for this game.
nacho and orc are town
that was my reaction
yep.
- f
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:56 am
by GuyInFreezer
@N: I don't like them either but considering the situation he is in and how he breaks easily the possibility of scum-sven slipping is pretty high.
P-edit: let me post
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:57 am
by Nachomamma8
Did you read my commentary on the bork game?
In post 273, GuyInFreezer wrote:@N: I don't like them either but considering the situation he is in and how he breaks easily the possibility of scum-sven slipping is pretty high.
You don't need to convince me at all. These hands want to kill Sven with every post they make.