Newbie 1433 - Game Over

[SatanHellYeah]

@Nominull
You attitude is unacceptable. Townies must help each other. It is no good, what you're doing. I have tried to think about some kind of twisted strategy you might be following, but I can't help but to find your behavior really unhelpful.

@Skelda
So you basically have 4 players in your scumlist. That makes 6 combinations, but you have only mentioned four of them.
What about Bob-2pac, or Ranawey-Bob?
I don't think neither 2pac or Ranawey are scum. Fuzzy is right now under pressure, or he should be, so I'll wait until he gives some more info. Bob is, for me, totally scummy.
So, I don't care. But I'd rather get Bob instead of Nominull.

[archaebob]

@Nominull
You attitude is unacceptable. Townies must help each other. It is no good, what you're doing. I have tried to think about some kind of twisted strategy you might be following, but I can't help but to find your behavior really unhelpful.

And yet you think I'm scummy for taking things a step further and actually pressuring him to change with my vote.

I don't think neither 2pac or Ranawey are scum. Fuzzy is right now under pressure, or he should be, so I'll wait until he gives some more info. Bob is, for me, totally scummy.
So, I don't care. But I'd rather get Bob instead of Nominull.

So you'd rather get me, the active player who is responsible for generating a lot of the content so far in this game, than Nominull, the uncooperative troll. Why exactly? What did I do to impinge on your scumdar so severely? You aren't seriously still accusing me of trying to quick lynch people, are you? Pay attention.

Everything

I've done has resulted in discussion which has created information about how people are thinking. I'd even go so far as to say that as an instigator, I've provided more information to the town than anyone else. I challenge you to quote a post I've made that has hurt the town, or that in any way suggests I'm scum motivated. I find your blind insinuations lazy and opportunistic, and the "I don't care" comment doesn't do you any favors either.

@ everyone -

With his willingness to troll openly, Nominull has now joined 2Pac in the category of "I have a deliberately unhelpful playstyle for reasons that don't really seem scum motivated." Their play is hurting town discussion, but they aren't actually more likely to be scum than anyone else. Which means we now have to make a choice. We can take a hard line against their play and wagon them up to L-1, hoping that will pressure them to change, or we can just ignore them and hope that they either aren't scum, will eventually improve, or will eventually be replaced. Personally, I think it's a huge mistake to lynch anti-town but not scummy on Day 1 unless the game is really bogged down and atrocious. The flip is less revealing, and it's a conversation suck that makes the town environment more amenable to scum. At a certain point it may be necessary to lynch an anti-town player if he or she remains unreadable, (particularly if someone like Nominull decides to troll for multiple days), but right now there are better things we can do with our time.

unvote vote FuzzyLogic

Get the pressure

ohhhhnnnn

. Oh yeah baby. Le'ts get it on.

Case and questions coming.

[Ranawey]

Well, Nominull might be scum, and he'd happy to hear that thanks to his stubborness he was dropped off the scumdar.

[archaebob]

@ Ranawey -

Yeah, he might be. But you have to admit right now it's null. Look at his posts. He's articulate. He's deliberately trolling. That means his behavior comes from a place of disconnect. This game is some kind of petri dish for him, and he's more interested in putting on a show than in winning. There's nothing we can do about it right now unless you want to sacrifice the entire day to taking him down.

Maybe

if we demonstrate intent to lynch him for it he'd change, but we'd have to mean it. Which means we'd lose the ability to pressure other people. So, I catch your drift, but I think the play is to move on for now.

[Ranawey]

Mhm, oh well.

UNVOTE:

[Ranawey]

Oh, happy birthday Bob!

I'll reread the thread.

[Ranawey]

@ Reese_ still getting use to reaction test. Have never seen them use before . I played occansionally but but itwas just for pure fun. Im trying to figure out if I realy believe you are doing a reaction test or just BSing saying you were to make yourself look good.

unvote Archie

2Pac- I am starting to take Skelda side on this . You dont seem all that interested in playing and more interested in RPing. I ask you a simple task and you refuse. Not even that but you went deep into your RPing mode. You want people to sheep you without any good reason. You claim people are playing poorly but are playing really poor yourself.
You say sheep me every post as if you are saying look at me I am a townie , see I am scumhunting. I was not even looking to see if you were scummy bc I felt you were just a bad townie.

I just wanted to see how you would react to being asked to defend your vote.

Either you are a bad townie or bad scum. As you might say You cant get no cred until you earn on the street.

I dont know about the Null wagon. He kind of seems like an easy target and that is why he getting votes. Looking for someone to prove me wrong.

The last two were reaction tests to see how you would react as well to get you to focus ,. I think my method sort of works.

You learned quite fast!

[Ranawey]

Excuse my double/triple/quadruple posts, I do really have to do something with my thoughts, heh.

Anyways, I've spotted what it seems like a lie from Fuzzy while checking his ISO. And it's the only lie I've spotted in the whole thread so far.

VOTE: Fuzzy

[Nominull]

@ Ranawey -

Yeah, he might be. But you have to admit right now it's null. Look at his posts. He's articulate. He's deliberately trolling. That means his behavior comes from a place of disconnect. This game is some kind of petri dish for him, and he's more interested in putting on a show than in winning. There's nothing we can do about it right now unless you want to sacrifice the entire day to taking him down.

Maybe

if we demonstrate intent to lynch him for it he'd change, but we'd have to mean it. Which means we'd lose the ability to pressure other people. So, I catch your drift, but I think the play is to move on for now.

This town is broken, absolutely broken. If you won't lynch me for this, why would anybody, ever, bother to play if they were scum? If you can't use social enforcement mechanisms you can't win; the whole design of the game is "social enforcement mechanisms vs. bad actors". I want to win as much as the next guy, but I know that with this attitude we won't. So I'm taking heroic measures to try to change your mind.

[archaebob]

Ok Fuzzy is at L-2 nobody else pile on right now.

@ Nominull -

Clamming up and trolling is not taking heroic measures. It's mortgaging your credibility, which makes the discussion about you rather than your cause. As it should be. I don't care how sincere you are in your conviction that we should not suffer 2Pac to live. Believe me, I empathize. The theory is we're working towards a better sitewide-meta, improving the quality of future games, taking a hard line against idiocy, standing up for justice and good fun, etc etc blah blah blah. I could probably be persuaded to follow your lead if this were a mini-normal. But it's not. It's a newbie. Part of the function of these games is to provide an introductory experience for people to learn what works, what doesn't, and whether they are interested in continuing on this site. Most players like 2Pac don't go on to become active members. They play one game and then they are gone. That's the whole point of having this net.

Our job is to accept that we're most likely being thrust into a less than ideal batch of players, and still do our best to win the game. We'll do more to teach and inspire by playing to our win condition than by complaining. You can't make 2Pac change his style. Accept it, move on. It's not fair to the rest of the players here to throw the game because one person is grating against a pet peeve of yours. We're here to train the people with potential. The people who

will

go one to be happy and active members. This is their first experience too, and right now you're setting a worse example for them than 2Pac is.

[SatanHellYeah]

@archie
When I said that I didn't care, you read "this guy does not care about WHO is lynched, the only thing he actually wants is to LYNCH somebody".
And let me say, that is totally wrong. I said I don't care who of YOU TWO die. And then, I expressed my particular will.
Seriously, I don't care if Nominull gets lynched. He would probably flip town, everyone is almost sure about that, and would be a pity but at least the game would go on.
But now I am considering your alternative way. If everyone just ignores him, we should be able to move on. The fact is that scum would not have come with something like that, unless he knew that by doing so the suspicions on him would fade. So, instead of falling into the WIFOM problem, I'll just believe, at least for now, that you are town.

unvote[\b]

[SatanHellYeah]

Tch.

unvote

[2Pac]

Spoiler: Mr_Ree post 112

I don't see my vote moving off 2Pac or me contributing much until he cuts out his shtick. I'm here to play mafia, not read bad rap parodies.

The thing is, though it is stupid, do you really think it is scummy? I mean, he clearly thought of this method of posting before, based on his username. I find his posting style annoying, but not necessarily scummy.

Twee posting styles like that are a good cover for scum, it makes you harder to read, which is something scum wants and town doesn't. But honestly I don't really care about that, I'm just not willing to deal with it. We're here to win, but we're also here to have fun, and having doggerel verse shoved down my throat is not my idea of fun.

I agree, there is no way he can it all game. But, I'd prefer to lynch someone scummish to someone annoying.

This is town.

Yo homie, how about you explain why this couldn't be posted just to appear to be town.

And your post 172 just doesn't sit right playa. Dislike the way you straight gave yourself an out at the end there partnah. Not really "jumping in" like you coached in post 102.

Acting way to opportunistic and ish for me dawg.

FoS: Skelda

VOTE: Mr_Ree

[Skelda]

So, town, who of archiebob and fuzzylogic would you rather see die today? I think I'd prefer fuzzy, but I'd settle for archie too. But no one other than them is dying today.

Actually, the way archie jumped on fuzzy could be majorly opportunistic scum, since he seemed so convinced of fuzzy's innocence until he started getting votes. Thoughts?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

The way I see it is that I am getting wagoned for calling out something that would of been considered scummy in most other games. If i am wrong than please correct me. Saying that I welcome the presssure and the questions. If we are to catch theses scum we need to put pressure on scummy behavior. I did nothing wrong in my opinion. I just think that my scum hunting and pressuring were mistook as scummy behavior.
Since we do not know who is scum and who is town than I think we need to pressure people and call players out for scummy action so we csn ferret out the truth.

@2Pac_ as I said earlier all that is just me scum hunting and putting pressure on players I felt were acting scummy or did something I thought was scummy. 206 was a correction for a typing mistake I made in 205. I have a feeling that no matter what I say you willl think I am scum.

[Ranawey]

@Fuzzy, what about my accusation?

@Skelda, I didn't like your tone

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Run

I think you are talking about me lying and contridicting myself , right. As far as that goes I cant say anything on it tilll you post my alledged lie/ contridiction. I will happy to explain it to you , if there is anything there to explian. Saying that can you post your evidence. Thank you.

[SatanHellYeah]

@archie
I am sure you would love Skelda's last post. Do you see the difference between that damn goat and me?

When I said you surely had noticed, without saying what, I thought you really had read it. You never were really scummy to my eyes. Pushed you a bit, but my main target is, as always have been since I made my first reads, Skelda. For things like that. He accused me, Ranawey, 2pac, Fuzzy and you Bob of being Scum. That's 5/9 scummy people. In the other hand, he does not want to lynch Nominull, and claims to be the only one defending him. A bit too heroic.
And now he states this: No one is getting lynched, but Archie and Fuzzy. Well done, motherfucker, you have won my vote.

VOTE: Skelda

[Skelda]

The way I see it is that I am getting wagoned for calling out something that would of been considered scummy in most other games. If i am wrong than please correct me. Saying that I welcome the presssure and the questions. If we are to catch theses scum we need to put pressure on scummy behavior. I did nothing wrong in my opinion. I just think that my scum hunting and pressuring were mistook as scummy behavior.
Since we do not know who is scum and who is town than I think we need to pressure people and call players out for scummy action so we csn ferret out the truth.

You don't see your own scumminess at all? It is hypocritical to ask us to put pressure on scummy behavior and get upset at the town for putting pressure on you. And if you can't see what you did wrong, that is your first problem.

[SatanHellYeah]

And sorry for calling you motherfucker. You surely don't fuck anyone's mother.

[archaebob]

Actually, the way archie jumped on fuzzy could be majorly opportunistic scum, since he

seemed so convinced of fuzzy's innocence

until he started getting votes. Thoughts?

When was this? Can you please point out when I was convinced of fuzzy's innocence? I don't remember.

Also, you should probably not blatantly ignore my posts.

[Ranawey]

@Fuzzy, already did.

ninjaedit: I was the one sure about fuzzy's innocence, till I spotted his little lie.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Run

Reread the post and saw what you were talking about. Sorry

I learn by watching and learning but I also learn by doing.So no I have not totally figured out reaction test but I starting to catch on. I am learning as I go. Does that make sense?

[Ranawey]

@Fuzzy, 5 posts and now you're master rt?

[SafetyDance]

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