Mini 1603 - Air Combat Mafia - Game Over

[xRECKONERx]

tbf I'm already feeling very lost mostly because 10 pages in 24 hours is ridiculous and it's hard to get the oomph back if you don't have it from the start

But you made it seem like this was something meta-related for myko, y/n?

[MattP]

I'm busy right now but I've been keeping an eye on the thread and I think you're wasting time and harming town with your vindictive tone towards farside, Anatole. Maybe this is a time for self reflection and a drop of humility, even if she is being aggressive towards you

The reason I said this to anatole is because I believed that anatole was town and that this sort of response from anatole was going to be harmful to town (whether it gave scum the chance to hound on farside OR anatole as a result)

[MattP]

tbf I'm already feeling very lost mostly because 10 pages in 24 hours is ridiculous and it's hard to get the oomph back if you don't have it from the start

But you made it seem like this was something meta-related for myko, y/n?

Well were 10 pages in because farside and anatole got into a fistfight.

I never brought up meta, myko brought up meta

[mykonian]

It's the posts where I ask about interaction between anatole and matt that he's talking about. Had little to do with reading scum or anything, just missing out on the conversation beyond the words. If it's not that, I have no clue what it could be.

PEDIT: "Myko has explicitly stated he feels lost in certain portions of the game, has reads but noone will listen so he's given up on pushing and feels like he will just join a different game in 2 weeks. I think this is pretty insane given we're 24 hours into this game"

... that's not even what I'm saying there. It's that it's useless to push a case from a position like this because all it does is getting me lynched. Which is the comment I'd be looking for a new game in two weeks.

How do you get "giving up" from the fact that I'm still talking reads?

On that note, how do you even read all that into me? In the span of a page, I have been timid, I have been insane, I have given up, I'm confused.

[MattP]

How do you get "giving up" from the fact that I'm still talking reads?

On that note, how do you even read all that into me? In the span of a page, I have been timid, I have been insane, I have given up, I'm confused.

This was all in reference to your earlier play, not the span of this previous page. And I never called you insane?

[mykonian]

Anatole's entire game so far has consisted of getting an early read on me, moving onto Ki-Gi, and immediately becoming swept up in a counter-productive 8 page argument with farside. The situation with farside was led by farside and Anatole was just indignantly responding, and I don't think indignance fueling 8 pages of crap is scum-motivated considering I've done that myself as town many times (and have gotten similar shit for it as anatole is getting now). I think you're being short-sided because you're not acknowledging that anatole certainly got the short end of the stick so far this game with being tunneled by a clear town farside and has been responding in a clearly natural way of someone who thinks highly of himself and believes the shit he is getting is ridiculous. He's trying to change to a more productive string of conversation by pushing a Csareo wagon now. Nothing he's done has set off any alarms in my head.

You aren't listening. Explaining isn't the issue, I can explain what he's doing, he's showing everything. It's not the logic of his play, it's the intention of it. It's defensive. The issue isn't wjether his play makes "sense" it's whether he would enjoy playing defensively as town.

[mykonian]

I think this is pretty insane given we're 24 hours into this game

[MattP]

Yes. But seen the responses I suspect this isn't really a productive way of using my vote, which is a pity. I'm waiting for a next place to put it down, so I don't really have interesting reads at the moment. Game is a bit meh apart from the flubbernugget wagon, but that'll take time to give something to talk about.

Its this sort of lackluster posting and lack of committed leads that makes me feel like you're struggling very hard to find a natural angle to scumhunt in this game

also, the tragic thing is that I don't think ki-gi is improving but don't really see an angle that won't get laughed at.

I admire that you still have confidence in your scum read of me despite that you're also aware of how ridiculous it looks to everyone else.

one gets used to it.

I think it's bizarre that you would have a dialogue like this with and regarding someone you are becoming more and more convinced is a scumread. You've barely even tried to expose him as scum besides your "bruh" comment, it would be nice to have actually seen more of an effort from you before you became so completely hopeless about it all and respond like that to a push from Ki-Gi

Anatole's entire game so far has consisted of getting an early read on me, moving onto Ki-Gi, and immediately becoming swept up in a counter-productive 8 page argument with farside. The situation with farside was led by farside and Anatole was just indignantly responding, and I don't think indignance fueling 8 pages of crap is scum-motivated considering I've done that myself as town many times (and have gotten similar shit for it as anatole is getting now). I think you're being short-sided because you're not acknowledging that anatole certainly got the short end of the stick so far this game with being tunneled by a clear town farside and has been responding in a clearly natural way of someone who thinks highly of himself and believes the shit he is getting is ridiculous. He's trying to change to a more productive string of conversation by pushing a Csareo wagon now. Nothing he's done has set off any alarms in my head.

You aren't listening. Explaining isn't the issue, I can explain what he's doing, he's showing everything. It's not the logic of his play, it's the intention of it. It's defensive. The issue isn't wjether his play makes "sense" it's whether he would enjoy playing defensively as town.

I acknowledge he is playing defensively as town but I'm saying that it's not town motivation that could make him do it, it could be his ego, which is more town indicative anyway because a town player on a pedestal would be more likely to scoff at a scumread on him he believes to be ridiculous than scum would.

I think this is pretty insane given we're 24 hours into this game

Huh? You said the last PAGE of the game. I'm saying my feelings have formed over the ENTIRETY of the game, which has been only 24 to 36 hrs.

[MattP]

Also, to avoid mud-slinging, I understand your "2 weeks" comment now so scratch that from my list of your feigned helplessness

[MattP]

I think this is pretty insane given we're 24 hours into this game

Oh, I get your point here. I wasn't calling you insane, I was using "insane" as a different way of saying "unbelievable"..."this is pretty insane" is not at all synonymous with "myko is insane"...

[mykonian]

I think it's bizarre that you would have a dialogue like this with and regarding someone you are becoming more and more convinced is a scumread. You've barely even tried to expose him as scum besides your "bruh" comment, it would be nice to have actually seen more of an effort from you before you became so completely hopeless about it all and respond like that to a push from Ki-Gi

Yes. There's no fucking comeback from the response of the thread to that on those posts. I think there's a post somewhere that has me complain that I couldn't make a case that wouldn't get laughed at having "bruh" in the back of your mind on the posts there. And I've hit that wall a couple too many times. I have time.

At the second quote, that's exactly it. It's his personality that could be the simple explanation for his playstyle. Which is why I wasn't making that case. It's easy to make and just as likely to be inaccurate not knowing who anatole is because the case hinges on exactly that.

I'm not really insulted, just annoyed that I've been characterised in a couple of ways now, none of which are obviously positive, and I don't think I'm any of them on this side of the screen.

[mykonian]

vote reck

[xRECKONERx]

vote reck

why

[mykonian]

you have 8 posts.

[xRECKONERx]

That's an astute observation. How does that make me scum?

[xRECKONERx]

Flubbernugget, Espressojet, and Belisarius all have less posts than that.

[mykonian]

ah, but they aren't you.

Though in beli's case you have a point.

[xRECKONERx]

Exactly how much do you know about my posting style or meta, myko? The last game I remember playing with you was like 2+ years ago.

[Ki-Gi]

you have 8 posts.

VOTE: mykonian

So I said "bruh".

And reckoner has 8 posts.

[mykonian]

Exactly how much do you know about my posting style or meta, myko? The last game I remember playing with you was like 2+ years ago.

Not that much. This is a good moment to find out.

you have 8 posts.

VOTE: mykonian

So I said "bruh".

And reckoner has 8 posts.

yes. You are getting there. Also a shit vote, should have done it a page ago

[xRECKONERx]

Not that much. This is a good moment to find out.

Then why do you think 8 posts for me is more egregious than >8 posts for the three I mentioned?

[mykonian]

Not that much. This is a good moment to find out.

Then why do you think 8 posts for me is more egregious than >8 posts for the three I mentioned?

they aren't here to ask them about it.

[Flubbernugget]

VOTE: Reno

I can't follow this game at all. I need something exciting to happen.

[farside22]

Who the heck is Reno?

Unvote

No longer feeling that vote.

Going to probably make Anatole have a fit

Vote: ki

Bel's another one I have an eye on. I feel I'm missing players.

[farside22]

My vote on ki is simple. He isn't scum hunting. His post are stabs at people on things they say and keeps himself out of conversations completely.
Aka: playing the sideline scum game.