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My read on grat is a null read for now.

Quoting mathilda's post was just by sake of convenience as I didn't want to roll back on my phone to find lowercase's post. Plus I (mistakenly) thought mathilda was also buying his (lowercase's) idea

Re: bbt being a good player

I think I heard it from someone else? Not very sure. The last game we played went fine until you went nuts on me late game. You had an aggressive play style that people need time to adjust to, but your early to middle game was good I think.

Do you not consider yourself a good player? And
Why would that matter to you on reading me?

I don't think I'm a good town player, my scum game isn't bad but I don't rate my town game all that much.

It matters because if you have no basis for your comment about me (which it seems you haven't) I'm going to see that as an attempt to appease me.

And how are you going to judge that

It's scummy.

What, saying you're a good player or asking that question

Saying I'm a good player with no basis for the comment.

My only basis was my last game with you and probably what I hear from other players (which are probably also from the same game)

Look, my good player comment was mostly to state your view and push on me was wrong. Plus you ARE better than the bunch of newbies over here.

But in our last game I didn't do well at all, I was all over the place so I don't know where that comment has come from. So, to me, it seems you said that in an effort to appease me and therefore get me to unvote you and start looking elsewhere.

Also, you said I 'always misread you', we've played together once, correct?

Probably because I'm not good I think you are. I don't think it's worth arguing since I wasn't trying to please you in any way.

Yes I said "always" as in "you have been misreading me so far everytime we meet". We only have one complete game.i might have exaggerated a bit.

I don't understand this lynch train on me. I've gotten mostly "null" reads on most people here and laid out who I think are scum and my town reads. I don't know what more people want of me.

You could try to scum hunt?

Working on that reads list now, what do you think of necargo replacing out BBT?

Usually, I don't think replacing out is alignment indicative but I don't like the timing of that one.

↑ BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Usually, I don't think replacing out is alignment indicative but I

really

don't like the timing of that one.

I knew you'd come around someday. Also I agree that that was pretty bad timing.

In response to your questions in 235:

I don't feel like [some post] fits in with [some other post]. Is your read changing on Yuri? If so, why?

My main gripe with Yuri early on was a combination of the 'RV' push and the post in which she asked ZS 'why do you think people are voting you?' The first because it was a silly reason and the second because it was a silly question. Had she continued doing things I thought were silly wastes of time I would have scum-read her more strongly, but she didn't. The only other thing I thought was worth mentioning was that her lee vote seemed like an attempt to redirect attention, but that was a meh reason even when I pointed it out.

Lowercase wrote:The other things she did make about as much sense as either alignment, so I see why scum would do them, but I don't really see why town wouldn't.

Wording has caught my attention here; can you also see Yuri doing those things as town?

Yes? The thing you're pointing out is not a wording issue. You correctly understood what I was saying there.

No, what you're doing is speculating on why Zero replaced out and then using your speculation as reasoning for why that slot is scum.

I doubt you have a better way of finding scum day one than speculating reasons as to why person X did thing Y.


@dwlee: ftr, OMGUS is voting someone they voted/suspected you. Had she voted you shortly after your first post or cited your suspicion as a reason, you might be correct in stating that she OMGUS'd you.

Once dwlee reaches L-1 I'll declare intent to hammer.

FYI: I will be V/LA from Thurs (8/6) aft to Saturday (8/8) afternoon

Where I stand at the moment:

Gratuitous
Townish: BBT, Dierfire, Lowercase
Null: Mathilda
Watching with concern: Necargo, Draynth
Scummy: Yuriko, Dwlee

That replacement is so fishy it stings.

Dwlee, really? You're gonna sit there play the "I'm innocent why are you voting me :/" game? When are you actually going to catch up and start scumhunting? You are obviously just prodoging ever since you got in.

Lowercase why wait? Why not vote him now?

Re: 267

You said I am not scum together with dwlee in 223, but you put him and I as your only scum read. Have you changed your mind or what

If you haven't, name the most probable person(s) that are scum with 1) dwlee and 2) me

Hello all, just wanted to post a quick intro and say I am currently catching up - on page 3, but knowing there's been so many replacements don't want to make an early judgment call. Will post again once I've caught up and have actual content.

UNVOTE:

Currently my two strongest townreads are BBT and Dier. They've both been pushing for information from everybody else, and trying to determine motivations. They're also explaining their own reads and answering questions posed to them.

My strongest scumread is definitely dwlee. His introductory post, 119, has absolutely nothing of substance yet finds Yuri suspicious for not having posted anything of much use. While that's personal belief, she already had 20 posts before dwlee's entrance which makes it hard for me to believe that he actually had a basis for that statement. Yuri was also the most recent vote by BBT in 105, and without actually voting for either of his "suspicious" people screams out to me as sheeping and not actually trying to figure anything out.

The rest of his posts are complete fluff, focusing on the OMGUS vote (which wasn't an OMGUS vote).

VOTE: dwlee99

I believe that puts him at

Most of my remaining reads are null, with Yuri and LC being slight scumreads.

Reasons for my LC scumread:

Posts 124 and 155 mention Yuri being scummy, but not really elaborating or committing. Instead, they decide they want to lynch a lurker in 141, but still doesn't actually place a vote. They then go on to say in 177 that they're not sure her behavior is strongly indicative of scum.

↑ Lowercase wrote:Yuriko's insistence on attacking Cargo's 'RV' thing is comically missing the point, which is a common scum tactic.

↑ Lowercase wrote:As for Yuriko, I agree that her behavior looks pretty scummy. For whatever brownie posts it's worth, I also noticed that her dwlee vote was a transparent attempt to redirect pressure. She could easily be scum; I wouldn't be upset if we lynched her

↑ Lowercase wrote:This is one reason I'm not crazy about lynching Yuriko; I'm just not sure I buy that her behavior is strongly indicative of scum, even though I see where her detractors are coming from.

They then jump to a vote on Grat, mainly because of ZS' replace from the game. While it's possible it's an alt account (which means he would have had to have lied to mods), based on meta this was ZS' first game and he hasn't posted since leaving this game, so I'm not willing to say it was alignment indicative in any form.

They then start to defend Yuri and say that dwlee looks scummy, but won't commit to a vote until intent to hammer.

Actually, as I'm writing this out I'm changing to a full scumread on LC, and think he's bussing dwlee.