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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:00 pm

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Alright. Two more problems.

Errantparabola wrote:a quick rundown
A substantial amount of it is gut but I'm making do with what I have.


Didn't you say you don't like to go on gut? And then get on other people for going on flimsy things?

But it's ok because there's nothing happening so you can last resort to gut. But no one else can.


Wut

might be able to lynch this


Also.... Why do you care if you're able to lynch this? Shouldn't it be "is this scum or not?"
Errantparabola wrote:I'm extremely hesitant to call someone town for wanting to push activity into the game because I've seen scum do that before.
I'm also hesitant to call a lurker scum even in these circumstances.


You can always "scum can force activity" or "town can be lurker"

Yah they can. They can do anything. You can talk yourself out of voting anyone you keep talking like that. Anyone can do anything for any reason. So I don't like this post. It's an excuse is what it is.
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:04 pm

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Hey eagle. Thanks for interacting with me.

Lhix's did not seem like a town post to me because it was 1) completely useless and 2) something that scum could easily say to try and snag some town points. "I don't see how ranger could townread me" is something that town has no reason to say. Not a strong read by any means.

Mario's I didn't read as sarcasm because he unvoted me later on.

Ranger's i didn't agree with because of this right here:
Errantparabola wrote:I'm extremely hesitant to call someone town for wanting to push activity into the game because I've seen scum do that before.
I'm also hesitant to call a lurker scum even in these circumstances.


CN's I disliked slightly because of the whole "disagreeing with my reads being alignment indicative" thing.
At least that's how I interpreted that post. CN is free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Extrapolated Eagle wrote:u got stronger reads from somewhere, m8? U see people scumhunting places giving you strong reads mate? Nothin happen. I have to base reads off something. And since theres no reason behind reads, I have to go by reads themselves.

Are you aware of what you saying right now?
You said "that person disagrees with my reads and that makes that person suspicious"
I said "that's faulty logic"
You said "well, do you have any better reads?"

So
1) worst deflection ever
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2) yes, I believe my reads are better. gut is better than faulty logic.
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:07 pm

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Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Alright. Two more problems.

Errantparabola wrote:a quick rundown
A substantial amount of it is gut but I'm making do with what I have.


Didn't you say you don't like to go on gut? And then get on other people for going on flimsy things?

But it's ok because there's nothing happening so you can last resort to gut. But no one else can.


Wut

might be able to lynch this


Also.... Why do you care if you're able to lynch this? Shouldn't it be "is this scum or not?"
Errantparabola wrote:I'm extremely hesitant to call someone town for wanting to push activity into the game because I've seen scum do that before.
I'm also hesitant to call a lurker scum even in these circumstances.


You can always "scum can force activity" or "town can be lurker"

Yah they can. They can do anything. You can talk yourself out of voting anyone you keep talking like that. Anyone can do anything for any reason. So I don't like this post. It's an excuse is what it is.


1. faulty logic does not equal gut
2. able to lynch this means that I can make someone eat rope and still sleep like a baby. So yeah, I'm saying that I think that the slot is scum.
3. "scum can do anything" is a bad argument. If scum can do something just as easily as town, then the action is not alignment indicative. Lurking is just as easy for town as it is for scum. Complaining about activity is just as easy for scum as it is for town.
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:21 pm

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Errantparabola wrote:Hey eagle. Thanks for interacting with me.
no. Thanks for responding.

Lhix's did not seem like a town post to me because it was 1) completely useless and 2) something that scum could easily say to try and snag some town points. "I don't see how ranger could townread me" is something that town has no reason to say. Not a strong read by any means.


I don't know. I think yeah generally not a town post. But back on my other site I had games where I would look back at my play and be like: I don't think I'm doing anything very alignment indicative. And then someone comes along and strong town reads me. That always sends up red alerts because in my shoes if I've just been fluffing up the thread and someone strong town reads me the only thought that comes to mind at first is "only scum and me fully know my alignment"



Mario's I didn't read as sarcasm because he unvoted me later on.
ok, but I have to say "too legitimate" sounds sarcastic


Ranger's i didn't agree with because of this right here:
Errantparabola wrote:I'm extremely hesitant to call someone town for wanting to push activity into the game because I've seen scum do that before.
I'm also hesitant to call a lurker scum even in these circumstances.
yes, but if the game is so bad with no activity that you have to go by gut, it can be less than optimal scum play to risk things by making activity, especially because, from my experience, that makes you look like a target

Same thing goes for lurking when the rest of the town is active. I think it all depends on the game


CN's I disliked slightly because of the whole "disagreeing with my reads being alignment indicative" thing.
At least that's how I interpreted that post. CN is free to correct me if I'm wrong.
hmm. Yeah, but if you're using rangers strategy and assume town once dead, wishing town dead is scummy. I don't know. Cns reaction did seem a bit extreme, though, but he strikes me as more extreme person.


Extrapolated Eagle wrote:u got stronger reads from somewhere, m8? U see people scumhunting places giving you strong reads mate? Nothin happen. I have to base reads off something. And since theres no reason behind reads, I have to go by reads themselves.

Are you aware of what you saying right now?
You said "that person disagrees with my reads and that makes that person suspicious"
I said "that's faulty logic"
You said "well, do you have any better reads?"

So
1) worst deflection ever
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2) yes, I believe my reads are better. gut is better than faulty logic.


Sorry. I meantto say that it's weak logic, but I don't think it's faulty logic
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 3:25 pm

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Errantparabola wrote:

1. faulty logic does not equal gut
2. able to lynch this means that I can make someone eat rope and still sleep like a baby. So yeah, I'm saying that I think that the slot is scum.
3. "scum can do anything" is a bad argument. If scum can do something just as easily as town, then the action is not alignment indicative. Lurking is just as easy for town as it is for scum. Complaining about activity is just as easy for scum as it is for town.


1. Weak logic. And weak logic is useable as well as gut, I think.

2. Ok. Makes more sense thanks.

3. True. And I thought you were taking about creating activity and pushing reads.

What is alignment indicative to you, then?
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Errantparabola wrote:Hey eagle. Thanks for interacting with me.
no. Thanks for responding.


Meant to say no problem. Oh well I guess it sounds ok either way.
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:22 pm

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GuyInFreezer wrote:This game uses PLURALITY LYNCH. The lynch will resolve upon a simple majority votes on a player or at the end of day with whoever has gathered the most votes.


^eagle and caotic

gif you might want to check your old voting/lynching, rulesets the contradict with the setup ones
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:22 pm

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If we want to extend the day we'd have to all not vote or vote no lynch.
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:35 pm

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Chaotic Neutrality wrote:If we want to extend the day we'd have to all not vote or vote no lynch.


you realzie that is going to be nehi impposible, much more so that i would throw a vote out last miniute cus im nto dealing with that
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:45 pm

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VOTE: Firebringsr
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:46 pm

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ika wrote:
Chaotic Neutrality wrote:If we want to extend the day we'd have to all not vote or vote no lynch.


you realzie that is going to be nehi impposible, much more so that i would throw a vote out last miniute cus im nto dealing with that



You?

Vote?

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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:55 pm

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I'm responding to Errant's posts when i get home, I'm not ignoring them.
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:49 am

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Chaotic Neutrality wrote:VOTE: Firebringsr

Thats not how you spell ErrantParabola.
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:50 am

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Errantparabola wrote:
ika wrote:Well eagle didn't read setup so I'm gonna chalk that as town, good we are done

I don't see scum pointing this out.

VOTE: firebringer

This doesn't match your vote.
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:52 am

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Errantparabola wrote:a quick rundown
A substantial amount of it is gut but I'm making do with what I have.

1) ranger - strongest townread
2) Chaotic Neutrality - null-scum but not lynchworthy
3) Errantparabola
4) hi I'm yakko - town
5) eagle - i might be able to lynch this
6) BL0ODK1NG - Dead, assume the worst and say town
7) mariomaniac4 - weak town read
8) ika - might be able to lynch this
9) firebringer - might be able to lynch this

ISOing the lynchworthy people now. I see firebringer's wagon with some support so I might be able to get on that

Okay. This is literally a really really scum post.

Notice the wording here?
"might be able to lynch this"

It screems so much opportunistic scum, that I am questioning if scum would be dumb enough to post it.
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:05 am

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Firebringer wrote:
Errantparabola wrote:a quick rundown
A substantial amount of it is gut but I'm making do with what I have.

1) ranger - strongest townread
2) Chaotic Neutrality - null-scum but not lynchworthy
3) Errantparabola
4) hi I'm yakko - town
5) eagle - i might be able to lynch this
6) BL0ODK1NG - Dead, assume the worst and say town
7) mariomaniac4 - weak town read
8) ika - might be able to lynch this
9) firebringer - might be able to lynch this

ISOing the lynchworthy people now. I see firebringer's wagon with some support so I might be able to get on that

Okay. This is literally a really really scum post.

Notice the wording here?
"might be able to lynch this"

It screems so much opportunistic scum, that I am questioning if scum would be dumb enough to post it.

Errantparabola wrote:
Extrapolated Eagle wrote:
might be able to lynch this


Also.... Why do you care if you're able to lynch this? Shouldn't it be "is this scum or not?"

2. able to lynch this means that I can make someone eat rope and still sleep like a baby. So yeah, I'm saying that I think that the slot is scum.
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:06 am

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Yah its strange and sketchy, but also already brought up.
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:25 am

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You think scum would be dumb enough to post something so bad?
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:52 am

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Firebringer wrote:You think scum would be dumb enough to post something so bad?


Logic dictates that I say yes, based on the belief that no one can be too townie, it also goes to say that one cannot be too scummy to be scum, neh? But I don't know. He could mean what he says, I guess. I haven't played mafia in a long time, and I never really learned how to handle things like this, so I put him on the back burner for a while so I can come back to him if I can't find something scummier

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Too_Townie
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:01 pm

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Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Logic dictates that I say yes, based on the belief that no one can be too townie, it also goes to say that one cannot be too scummy to be scum, neh? But I don't know. He could mean what he says, I guess. I haven't played mafia in a long time, and I never really learned how to handle things like this, so I put him on the back burner for a while so I can come back to him if I can't find something scummier

In my experience too scummy to be scum actually works 80% of the time.
If a person seems too god damn scummy to be true, its probably because he is. At least in LYLO situations, if they made it that far.

When you get to LYLO, and theres one guy thats null kind of looks town, and someone really scummy. Its probably the null guy.

Scum want to eliminate players that are obv town to everyone.
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:13 pm

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We lynch him regardless. He's scum
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:13 pm

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Firebringer wrote:
In my experience too scummy to be scum actually works 80% of the time.
If a person seems too god damn scummy to be true, its probably because he is. At least in LYLO situations, if they made it that far.

When you get to LYLO, and theres one guy thats null kind of looks town, and someone really scummy. Its probably the null guy.

Scum want to eliminate players that are obv town to everyone.


You think this makes it likely that ep is town?
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:16 pm

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Extrapolated Eagle wrote:You think this makes it likely that ep is town?

I am unsure tbh.
EP scum I don't think is this bad.

It is making me second guess myself.
Though I still think EP isn't scumhunting at all, but that doesn't = Scum.

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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:16 pm

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ika wrote:We lynch him regardless. He's scum

Have anything to add Ika? Fresh opinion would be useful right now.
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:18 pm

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ika wrote:We lynch him regardless. He's scum

This certainly makes me more nervous about lynching him.
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Extrapolated Eagle wrote:You think this makes it likely that ep is town?

I am unsure tbh.
EP scum I don't think is this bad.

It is making me second guess myself.
Though I still think EP isn't scumhunting at all, but that doesn't = Scum.

UNVOTE: EP

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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:30 pm

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Fire and i were born in the same goddamn crib.
We're soul sisters.

Ill make a serious post when i have time.
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