You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Alchemist21]

Who is Clotilde?

P-edit: Search for it.

[TheWayItEnds]

As soon as you explain how thats not just a giant waste of time, sure.

Who dis

...What?

[Randomnamechange]

randomidget is scum.
Discuss.

~Spiffy

No he isn't

[Extrapolated Eagle]

As soon as you explain how thats not just a giant waste of time, sure.

Who dis

@EE

huh?

Aside from that entire post being annoying as fuck, your scumread on me makes no sense. My vote on Garmr was justified completely

How so? Please quote where.

and my "case" on you was a mish mash of observations and questions I had.

I see. So I wasn't scum in your eyes, yet, but you had lots to say, But on your scum read you're speechless?

I didn't build an argument against you piece by piece like you said. I think you're trying to say that I'm white knighting you, which isn't the case since I'm not townreading you. Your analysis is very superficial and doesn't look at motivations behind actions.

I don't know, white knighting is very much motivation. Also for someone who's really upset about a "superficial" read, voting aneninen for his "tone" is quite interesting.

I also disagree with, like, all of your reads except errant.

And suddenly I feel paranoid about voting Anen

You should. That would also make two reads you agree with me on. Quick question, if I'm scum, why do you find yourself agreeing with me more and more?

Mobilpost.

Not to brag or anything, but all of my posts have been mobile. Yeah. That last post was a craps ton of work.

[Garmr]

E

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EADS

"

When a storm is coming, all other birds seek shelter. The eagle alone avoids the storm by flying above it.

"

-Unknown

Eagle wakes and leaves his nest, soaring the skies as he often liked to do as if to say to the sun, "I can get higher than you." It wasn't true of, course but aime days Eagle just felt the need to fly above

something

, anything.

Eagle's afterthought: pigeon, it appears I was wrong what I said about eagles and storms yesterday, but it made for good flavor. I honestly didn't find out until I was looking for eagle quotes this morning

EAGLE looked out over the world and saw all- the creatures calling his name, and those that did not. Many had questions for the eagle, for he had done something that had scared and confused them.

"Peace, friends. All will be answered now. I am here. I have had time to think and sleep. But you must wait until the end of this post for answers to questions, first I shall tell you what I think of you so you may all go back to gossipin.
"There is an intruder in my forest," the eagle continued, "in your forest. In our forest. You have discovered this already. I suspected it. Which is why I did what I did. Was it the best course of action? Perhaps. Perhaps not. It was the first time I had tried such a thing. I think, for now, it was helpful. I shall come back and look at it better when this whole predicament is over, and I know who the intruders are, and how they reacted.
"And it will be over. You can rest assured that we will find and kill the intruders. So for now, I share my thoughts on who they are."

First,

Varsoon, the Knight

Spoiler:

The Eagle looked at the man, burly, yet quivering in his once fine suit of armor.
"I cannot tell about you, yet sir, whether that quiver is really or fake. How the spider knew you were going to come before you came, I know not. Perhaps she knows you from elsewhere, her eggsac

was

in a castle. I enjoy how humbly you came into our forest, how respectful you were. How you seemed to try to stir things up the moment you heard there were intruders. And your frustration when it seemed to come to nothing. But it was early in the day, perhaps a bit too early. But for now, friend, I think you belong here.

null/

town

But when you get a chance, dear sir, could you share your thoughts on the others here? You likely know them better then I.

Next,

SpiderGwen, the Spider

Spoiler:

"Either you or the clouds in the distance do not belong here. You did do exactly what I expected the intruder to do, but not when I expected them to do it. You grew your nest after the clouds had changed direction, but perhaps that does not matter? You do seem to stay close to me, which I greatly appreciate, so for now I shan't tear down your web. For as my mother told me,

"You should never turn against your friends in times of trouble, unless you are certain they mean you malice. For if you have no friends in times of trouble, you have no friends at all."

"You are kind of crazy, and maybe a little stubborn, but you're strong, and I like you. You certainly didn't seem to expect the clouds, and you attacked them when it appeared they were intruders here. You seem to have locked your targets and even your friendliness towards me seems to be something an intruder would not do, for you have put yourself on a limb for me, and I am grateful for that. There is not much time that has passed since we have been invaded, but you seem to be on our side.

slight town

But be warned, my lady, for if the storm belongs, then you do not.

Passionate Storm, the Storm

Spoiler:

"I see you, maiden of destruction, brewing in the West. How fickle and careless you seem. You lock onto what you say doesn't belong, but change it for something you don't care about. You thunder about me and why I am dangerous, yet, if I understand you correctly, I am not even your most suspicious of creatures, yet little is said about them. How little you care about who lives and dies, yet how controlled your stormy side is. You seem to be putting on a show, and I fear how the show ends.

slight scum

You and the spider do not belong together. Nor do you and the notebook.

Eagle's sidenote: I honestly wasn't thinking of your hydra, and I only read enough of your wiki to get a feel for you. When you noted that it was your hydra name, it rung a bell and I figured I would go along with it, but I didn't actually go that in depth, too many people. I also have no idea what insuyasha is.

ErrantParabola, the Scholar's Notebook

Spoiler:

"You are an interesting fellow, sir. Your pages seem to be filled with the frustrated scribblings of one who believed himself misunderstood. Which makes me think perhaps you do not mean malice on the forest. Perhaps I am wrong, but perhaps not. How you handled the end of our conversation yesterday seems interesting, going from a town to null read could be anything from an intruder trying to see how accusatory he can be towards others to a resident being careful who he calls friend. I am wary of you, Mr Book. But for now,

slight town

I do not like how the rain from the storm seems to fondle rather than ruin your pages, however, perhaps you can share what you think of this matter?

Aneninen, the Pigeon

Spoiler:

"Of you, my fellow feathered creature, I find myself quite fond. You seem a bit confused as to why we are being invaded, and this makes me think you aren't an invader. Those who I think to have intruded seem to dislike and accuse you, and this adds up to me thinking that us birds of a feather should fly together. I have enjoyed our conversations up until this point and I see not why we should not cease this.

slight town

You speak quite vaguely, though, could you explain who this Chlotilde is?

Elyse, the Girl

Spoiler:

"I believe, dear girl, that you do not belong here. You did EXACTLY what I expected from scum and stated so. That I would attract attention provocatively, someone would jump on me for it, and then a scum, seeing me, knowing I'm town, would vote for the one who voted for me. You spent an entire case building a case on me, cool, calm, collected, not caught up in all the confusion, and then instead of voting for me, you voted for the one voting for me. With no case built at all against the poor bear. On top of this, you attack my friend the Pigeon.

slight scum

VOTE: Elyse

Garmr, the Bear

Spoiler:

"Yes, I know you try to appear as a wolf, but you behave like a dreary mother bear, coming out of hibernation to find her cub missing. So for now, you are the bear. I am not quite sure what to make of you. You either believe words to mean things that they don't, or you make up new meanings for words. The case you have built against me is, in parts, legitimate. But most of those parts were intentional. Other parts of your case might have been legitimately what you see, but are not true. For example this:

. After a quick glance

A skim means a quick readin this case I skimmed every post................

I did read your posts Like i said I read every post and these are my first thoughts off my head aka a skim.

"A quick glance" and "skimming" are the same thing. Neither of them mean reading fully, which is what you seem to say they mean in the last post. Yes, I believe this argument is relevant, unless English is not your first language, and in that case, the argument is a bit ridiculous, and I will drop it immediately. You seem to tunnel me pretty hard and be proud of it, though, and I think that perhaps you misread/misunderstood/didn't believe in my gambit, all of which would make sense coming from a town player, fmpov.

So

slight town

But I can assure you I have done nothing against your cub. So please start trying to pull down someone else's tree, I don't want to have to move my nest again.

grapes, the Grapes

Spoiler:

"I like you. Many creatures say you are tasty, but, no offense, I prefer to eat creatures. But you seem to have very similar reads to mine and you seem to be quite intelligent, for a fruit. You don't seem turned by the chaos of the other animals, and you don't seem to be aware of what is going on, though you look to be figuring it out"

slight town

I particularly like this post:

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

It's interesting, is it not? I think maybe it does mean something. Though I town read the people on that wagon right now.
I am curious to hear about your vote for spifflop, though.

... Wow there are a lot of people. I need a break from this, so I'm going to leave you with this and come back in a bit. (Hopefully before lunch, maybe not until after work).

Since it's 3 am will elaborate on a few things. English is my first language but
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/skim
a.

To read or glance through (a book, for example) quickly

or superficially.
I'm using it as in the term quickly I looked through it quickly your pushing as I looked through superficially. Is there really even a point in arguing this because even after a a reread i still like my points which I noticed straight away. They still stand. It's scummy to to try and devalue ones case by something other than the case its self.

You admit there are legitimate parts which you have not even addressed at all you been tip toeing around it. Do you think I will drop it if you continue doing this?

So

slight town

I don't understand how you came about this 360 when a couple of posts ago you were saying this

@EE, The thread had been open for all of 20 minutes at the time. :/

Time moves REALLY slowly when you're nervous.

I also would like you to state which reads, specifically you disagree with.

Town: Elyse, Garmr
Weak town: TSO
Weak scum: Spider

These ones. (Took my name off the list for relatively obvious reasons).

I'm tired. I'm going to sleep now. I'll reread and talk more in the morning.

You obviously had me as a scum read here. Only after I have been town read by a few people you suddenly say this. I think you were holding back given reasoning because you had nothing solid and B you wanted to see how town would react.

[Passionate Storm]

@Alch, Please don't skip over questions for you. Not cool. Was that Spider Gwen vote RVS? Why did you change?

@EE, I am not bothering with 10 gallons of roleplay to get to your reads. Can you use names and dump the filler? Ty.

Will catch up later.

~Titus

[Extrapolated Eagle]

As soon as you explain how thats not just a giant waste of time, sure.

Who dis

@EE

Aside from that entire post being annoying as fuck, your scumread on me makes no sense. My vote on Garmr was justified completely and my "case" on you was a mish mash of observations and questions I had. I didn't build an argument against you piece by piece like you said. I think you're trying to say that I'm white knighting you, which isn't the case since I'm not townreading you. Your analysis is very superficial and doesn't look at motivations behind actions.

I also disagree with, like, all of your reads except errant.

First you vote for me in the sign-up thread and now here...

I bet you remember NeuroScience... you were so cute when I was after you and you were flailing all the time. What a pity that I dropped the case and lost the game to you later. Nevertheless, I want to see that again.

wish granted?

[Alchemist21]

@Alch, Please don't skip over questions for you. Not cool. Was that Spider Gwen vote RVS? Why did you change?

@EE, I am not bothering with 10 gallons of roleplay to get to your reads. Can you use names and dump the filler? Ty.

Will catch up later.

~Titus

Yes, it was RVS and was meant to get a few reactions. I was hoping it would do more than it did. Spifflop following right after me was interesting, but since he knows her it could have just been coincidence.

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Hey guys, I need to read up on whats going on.

HEY ALCHEMIST!!!
Whats up bro?

And Garmr, damn I need to pay more attention in sign ups, so many awesome people in this game and I didn't notice at all lol.
Fail

-FIre

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Titus is town.
Still standing by EP being town after reading more of him. His push on EE looks town (even though EE looks town to me rn)

Titus. Do you think that acting town should be implicit or explicit?

Actually wtf is this question supposed to accomplish?
AJ is town.
Klingon is a FANTASTIC vote gj hiplop <3
TSO sounds fake to me but hiplop said he thinks he's town so I'll let it play out.
Hate Garmr's first post.
itlepip's opening seems rehearsed to me idk I just have a weird gut feeling that he's scum.
Elyse looks town.

Klingon is a great vote she should be wagon thx

~Spiffy

Spiffy is town, discuss.

See what I did there? I pulled a Spiffeh.

-Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

@Extrapolated Eagle, I like the effort your putting into this, but I can gurantee you will get burned out pretty quickly at this if you try to keep that amount for whole game. The game speed for this is much different than a blitz. Its more casual game.

I like you man, don't get burned out.

-Fire

[Passionate Storm]

@Alch, Please don't skip over questions for you. Not cool. Was that Spider Gwen vote RVS? Why did you change?

@EE, I am not bothering with 10 gallons of roleplay to get to your reads. Can you use names and dump the filler? Ty.

Will catch up later.

~Titus

Yes, it was RVS and was meant to get a few reactions. I was hoping it would do more than it did. Spifflop following right after me was interesting, but since he knows her it could have just been coincidence.

Why did you change?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

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Since it's 3 am will elaborate on a few things. English is my first language but
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/skim
a.

To read or glance through (a book, for example) quickly

or superficially.
I'm using it as in the term quickly I looked through it quickly your pushing as I looked through superficially. Is there really even a point in arguing this because even after a a reread i still like my points which I noticed straight away. They still stand. It's scummy to to try and devalue ones case by something other than the case its self.

Fine. I take it you're saying you read the thread through and still like your points? Then I'll respond to them.

I don't understand how you came about this 360 when a couple of posts ago you were saying this

This is what I mean when I say you don't read.

I'm just going to put this out there: (I haven't had a chance to reread the thread yet) but at this moment in time I disagree with a majority of your reads. We'll have to discuss this in detail tomorrow.

Yes, I'd like to sit back and observe. But we don't always get what we want, do we? And I like starting things off.

I was tired and these were gut reaction reads. They were quick and I hadn't had time to take a step back from the thread. That's when my reads are best.

6 pages already. After a quick glance I'm going to say

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I don't really trust the bird. He seems to want to get involved in everything. He also didn't really provide a good reasoning for voting epola and never does.

Reasoning you disagree with is not necessarily bad reasoning

I would think a town player would try and push his first suspect to reveal more information instead his sitting back defending himself and I think trying to justify his vote by defending himself.

.. so you would prefer I don't try to justify my vote and ignore the numerous accusations against me? I don't have an infinite amount of time. Also, as I have said multiple times (though not necessarily before this post) this was a gambit and I need time to go back and think about the results before I push further. It would be stupid to tunnel him before backing off and checking on everyone else and making sure I'm going the right way with it. In my experience gambits can go horribly wrong and "scum reads" can be for the wrong reasons and end up being town.

His other content is meh.

Quote which content, pls.

Scum want to be involved in everything so they look like they are doing something tell me what has eagle actually contributed to hunting scum. His vote epola was bullshit yet his been involved with all these other events I would think a townie who was involved in everything would push more on a scum read showing eagerness. This seems like scum eagerness to look town.

Actually, if I was scum, I would AVOID putting my neck on the line to get some reads at game start. It just doesn't seem smart to start the game attracting a whole lot of attention that I really don't like when I play scum.

4.I read your singular reason for the scum read

This actually sounds like quite a few reasons to me. Perhaps you miscounted here?

I don't think it's any good. Post 100 right is the full explanation of your read. So you scum read him in short for tunneling you and not having much attention to whats around him until he finished tunneling you and started paying attention to them right thus not giving you as much attention even through his votes on you. Kinda sounds like a bs reason to me and a delayed omgus so people wouldn't mention that. Now you unvote when he unvotes you and you are being pushed by someone else.......

You don't have to like my reasoning. That's your problem. But I do have to say it's pretty early in the day, and I have to say I don't like your reasoning for voting me either. .

-- @ Passionate storm

Ok I'll see when I can get to it. But between work, eating, responding to garmr, and trying to stay on top of elyse I'm kind of short on time at the moment

[Extrapolated Eagle]

@Extrapolated Eagle, I like the effort your putting into this, but I can gurantee you will get burned out pretty quickly at this if you try to keep that amount for whole game. The game speed for this is much different than a blitz. Its more casual game.

I like you man, don't get burned out.

-Fire

Yeah, I'm starting to realize this. Makes me kind of sad, because I like it and it helps me keep my emotions in check so I can properly read people, because when you're spending that much time working on posts, you're less likely to get angry at people for making you repeat yourself or not properly reading and stuff. At least in my case.

But you're right I don't have the energy to keep this up much longer. I'll just have to take pretty regular breaks

[Alchemist21]

Hey guys, I need to read up on whats going on.

HEY ALCHEMIST!!!
Whats up bro?

And Garmr, damn I need to pay more attention in sign ups, so many awesome people in this game and I didn't notice at all lol.
Fail

-FIre

I'm doing good. You?

And from your 259 and 260 I'd say you're Town.

@Alch, Please don't skip over questions for you. Not cool. Was that Spider Gwen vote RVS? Why did you change?

@EE, I am not bothering with 10 gallons of roleplay to get to your reads. Can you use names and dump the filler? Ty.

Will catch up later.

~Titus

Yes, it was RVS and was meant to get a few reactions. I was hoping it would do more than it did. Spifflop following right after me was interesting, but since he knows her it could have just been coincidence.

Why did you change?

That should be obvious. I have an actual scumread on Anen.

[Spifflop]

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

If Klingon flips scum this is her buddy.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Firebringer sheep me on Klingon please.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Also stop buddying me I haven't done anything to warrant a town read yet.
hiplop has though

~Spiffy

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Elyse I really look forward to you responding to me. I'm excited to see what all this not being here at all will warrant and the great in depth reads that look at the motivations behind the players that you post.

[Spifflop]

Can you link that game cause right now I'm leaning scum there?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63747

Look at his early play and it's obvious it's hard for him to find a footing (which I correctly called out but foolishly dropped the issue after he wrote a wall).
He seems a lot more comfortable and willing to engage here.

~Spiffy

[Errantparabola]

Spoiler: Page 9

217 I am very uneasy with you trying to say that your 203, which amounted to "hey, you should read me as scum" as a joke rather than an attempt to look town. I didn't, and still don't really think that it was a joke.

Unvoting him after you modified your read from town to null?

Is this a problem?

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

I'd like to see what you think it means. I don't like how you don't provide this information.

Spoiler: Page 10

Can you link that game cause right now I'm leaning scum there?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63747
I wouldn't put much stock in it though, I feel like I'm new enough so that I'm experimenting with playstyle.

Interesting that you point out the buddying towards AJ, yet your vote doesn't go towards any player buddying her.

How does "I don't understand the townreads" equate to "I think people are buddying AJ"

What is your problem with iteplop's 203? Garmr did a similar thing right before him.

You are right, I glossed over that post. I don't like 202 either. Gonna look at Garmr's ISO.

This doesn't feel like town Anen. It's all random, meaningless observations with no follow-up.

I'm also beginning to get this vibe, but I sort of wrote it off as playstyle. Have you entertained that possibility?

Oh by the way there was a game I got Day1 lynvhed in because of similar posts. If interested, I'll search for it.

And this supports that original thought.

Spoiler: Page 11

so many awesome people in this game

Just gonna assume that you forgot to mention me

Actually, if I was scum, I would AVOID putting my neck on the line to get some reads at game start. It just doesn't seem smart to start the game attracting a whole lot of attention that I really don't like when I play scum.

You've already proven you can think ahead. What's to say that you didn't put your neck on the line just so that you can use this defense later?
I personally don't believe it, just want to hear your response.

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

If Klingon flips scum this is her buddy.

~Spiffy

I... highly doubt that

Also stop buddying me I haven't done anything to warrant a town read yet.
hiplop has though

~Spiffy

This is along the same vein as 203. I find that questioning someone's townread on you or asking why someone isn't scumreading you is extremely low-hanging fruit for scum to grab. I get it if you're pushing on them for some disingenuous logic but you don't seem to be doing that. So it doesn't really add anything to the game except for "hey look at me I'm unafraid to be scumread!"

[Spifflop]

Anen seems snarkier than I remember him being in the past.

VOTE: Anen

This vote is shit. How is that scummy?

Für Elyse and others.

Well played.

~Spiffy

[Randomnamechange]

Also stop buddying me I haven't done anything to warrant a town read yet.
hiplop has though

~Spiffy

And I haven't done anything to warrant a scumread.

[Elyse]

@TheWayItEnds
Nvm. I thought you were a hydra slip post or something considering I didn't remember you posting earlier and you responded to something as if you've been here the whole time. What are your thoughts so far?

Aside from that entire post being annoying as fuck, your scumread on me makes no sense. My vote on Garmr was justified completely

How so? Please quote where.

Here:

6 pages already. After a quick glance I'm going to say

VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

I don't really trust the bird. He seems to want to get involved in everything. He also didn't really provide a good reasoning for voting epola and never does. I would think a town player would try and push his first suspect to reveal more information instead his sitting back defending himself and I think trying to justify his vote by defending himself.

His other content is meh.

This seems like a bs vote. Why would scum want to get involved in everything?

@Garmr
I want to see EE's reads list. Then I'll consider joining you. It seems like he has reads but hasn't shared them.

@PS
I like your reads. I don't agree with the Garmr read, but since you agree with the reasoning behind the EE vote I see where your read comes from. His initial posts were off to me and I didn't like his reason for the EE vote. It is more justified now, but the aggression to EE initially for insinuating he didn't read his posts seemed forced.

I do like that he's reaching out to me rather than going up against me, which is what I expect scum Garmr to do.

Your other reads are all spot on. Errant is probably more weak town for me though.

and my "case" on you was a mish mash of observations and questions I had.

I see. So I wasn't scum in your eyes, yet, but you had lots to say, But on your scum read you're speechless?

No, you are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting me. You said that I built a case on you piece by piece and then just voted for Garmr at the end without justifying it. What I'm saying is that any "case" you think I built was simply my catchup post regarding your actions. Yes, I scumread you, but you weren't at the top of my list.

I didn't build an argument against you piece by piece like you said. I think you're trying to say that I'm white knighting you, which isn't the case since I'm not townreading you. Your analysis is very superficial and doesn't look at motivations behind actions.

I don't know, white knighting is very much motivation. Also for someone who's really upset about a "superficial" read, voting aneninen for his "tone" is quite interesting.

White knighting is townreading someone under pressure as scum to look better when they flip. Do you think I'm doing that to you?

I also like how you don't deny your reads are superficial and instead try to attack me. I've already explained that Anen's post lack the intention of finding scum. They are a cluster of meaningless observations and questions with no follow-up. In other words, I am looking at the motivations of his posts.

I also disagree with, like, all of your reads except errant.

And suddenly I feel paranoid about voting Anen

You should. That would also make two reads you agree with me on. Quick question, if I'm scum, why do you find yourself agreeing with me more and more?

Feeling paranoid about voting someone does not mean I suddenly townread them, thank you very much. Whenever a lurker comes out of nowhere and joins a wagon I'm on with shit reasoning, it makes me think that maybe the wagon is on town and a scum lurker is taking advantage. I also won't answer that scummy bs loaded question.

Elyse I really look forward to you responding to me. I'm excited to see what all this not being here at all will warrant and the great in depth reads that look at the motivations behind the players that you post.

Fuck off.
VOTE: Extrapolated Eagle

Idgaf if people call this OMGUS but his entire response to me reeked of cocky scum. The constant misreps, deflections, and false accusations ping hard and don't match up with his previous play.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

You've already proven you can think ahead. What's to say that you didn't put your neck on the line just so that you can use this defense later?
I personally don't believe it, just want to hear your response.

Far too risky. I'm a horrible actor. I did try to gambit once as scum and I don't think I've ever been lynched faster, with the exception of my first couple mafia games - I was annoying as crap (still kinda am, I guess) and stupid and thought that everyone that voted me must be scum.
When I gambit as I have a hard time figuring out how to read people without cutting my options down too much. I haven't played scum much before.