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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:36 pm

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*crickets*

Deep down I really don't feel like Sarcastro is scum but I don't have any other leads.
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:43 pm

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Really? The fact that Tyhess is practically shouting "LOOK AT ME! I'M SCUM!" from the rooftops doesn't count as a lead?!
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:58 pm

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Tyhess hasn't said anything that I don't agree with lately.
I'm almost positive that Sac is scum.
I agree. If I didn't, I wouldn't be voting you.
Sac-you never had a case against OTM. Ever.
And you haven't. The only things you have brought up as evidence against Tyhess are trivial.
yous said he was worse and more lilkley scum than you for the same exact reason that everyone is attacking you, and he has a stronger case.
Sarc wrote:I said he was worse in the sense that he's doing what he's accused me of doing more than I ever did.
You went after OTM based on little evidence and just a headstrong mentality. When you were proven wrong, you did the exact same thing on Tyhess. You say that we're doing the same thing but I disagree. You were reckless, could not justify your suspicions, and when your strategy got a townie lynched you kept using it.
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:14 am

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Sarcastro wrote:Really? The fact that Tyhess is practically shouting "LOOK AT ME! I'M SCUM!" from the rooftops doesn't count as a lead?!
Didn't you have the same type of case against OTM? (next to nothing?)
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:51 am

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PBPA of Tyhess:
tyhess wrote:I just think that this is a bunch of he said she said at this point. However, I would have to agree with Off the Mark at this point, and that the scum is probably trying to keep a low profile, while still making it seem like he's contributing. Either that or its the loudest talker. But whatever happens, we have like 3-4 times at a minimum to get this right (I think). However, I want that Day one win.
Tyhess starts his content posts off with a bold assertion - the scum is either keeping a low profile or not keeping a low profile. This post as a whole really strikes me as being awkward. He's basically stating the obvious while trying to seem like he's contributing (hm, didn't he just say that was scummy?).
tyhess wrote:That's dumb in my opinion....If you wanted to do something like that (which I don't), then I would have the bomber come out and say who he is (if there's a counter claim we auto win so theirs no risk in that), then we kill somebody, and he kills somebody that we all agree on. IMO that make more sense than a no lynch.
This post isn't so bad, except that he conveniently forgets later than a counterclaim is an auto-win.
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Sarcastro wrote:I thought what I wanted was obvious. We lynch Off the Mark and win. Sounds good to me. I'm sorry about "overreacting" by telling you that your idea wasn't a good one, but I still don't understand what you expect. You want an alternative? Why? The alternative was obvious - we lynch someone. Maybe it's my fault for assuming that it was clear that I wanted to lynch Off the Mark as soon as possible.

There's really no reason to go slowly in a game like this. There are no claims, nothing to worry about. I don't want this to be yet another game that drags on and on and on. I want to lynch Off the Mark, and I want to do it soon.


The only part where I think you're overreacting is your claim that we lynch Off the Mark and we will auto win. Prettty big assumption when its a 1 in 8 chance of being right (not counting whoever is doing the voting).

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(it was random)
He accuses me of "overreacting" for asserting that OtM is scum. Still only reacting to other people's opinions.
tyhess wrote:I look at the suicide bomber as a second vote. If he comes out say day 2 or 3, then we can vote to lynch 2 people (and have the bomber vote the second one, assuming he agrees). All I see the suicide bomber as is an extra vote.

As for the lengths of the days, I see both points, but I have to agree that a longer day is more effective if all players are active. However, I think a happy median would be best.
Still not much content here. He seems afraid of actually contributing any opinions or saying anything people will be inclined to criticise him for. Still hasn't said who he finds scummy (and isn't even voting for anyone at this point). Seems like he's doing exactly what he predicted the scum would do.
tyhess wrote:I actually think it was good idea to get everyone's opinions....and I think all the don't go out of order stuff was that if someone had an opinion and then he gets bashed, noones going to propose the same thing, which would be harmful to the town because people could get away with not having to voice their full opinion.....
People giving their opinions is important, and yet you don't feel the need to do it yourself. Interesting.
tyhess wrote:I'm still not sold on QuickBen, but I would like to point out that he's at lynch-1
Wishy-washiness
and
stating the obvious! Two-for-one! This is the penultimate post of day one and Tyhess still hasn't provided any opinions at all. Wow.
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Sarcastro wrote:Stop!

HAMMAHTIME!

Unvote, Vote: QuickBen


A decent lynch today is better than a great lynch tomorrow.
A great lynch today would equal killing scum.


Vote: Sarcastro
Finally he votes for someone, as soon as he's sure that it's an obvious enough reason (on a prominent target) that he won't be held under scrutiny.
tyhess wrote:
Sarcastro wrote:
tyhess wrote:A great lynch today would equal killing scum.
So then why aren't you going for one?

Explain how my hammer vote (if that's indeed your reason) is scummy, please. I don't mean to jump to conclusions, but I'd be extremely surprised if your reasoning is any better than "OMG he hammered he is scum lolz".
It's because of your theory. How was a good lynch yesterday better than a great lynch today? A great lynch today would equal a win.
Now he's nitpicking about my "theory". Again, this is not a town line of thought. This is an "I need an excuse for voting" line of thought.
tyhess wrote:A great lynch is one in which scum is killed. There is no other great lynch in this game. How is it possible that a good lynch yesterday was better than a great lynch today?
He's still insisting on this insane reasoning.
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tyhess wrote:A great lynch is one in which scum is killed. There is no other great lynch in this game. How is it possible that a good lynch yesterday was better than a great lynch today?
Okay, I'm not sure you're getting this. A "good lynch" would be a lynch where we have, say, a 30% chance of getting the scum. A "great lynch" might be a lynch where we have, say, a 60% chance of getting the scum. These percentages are arbitrary, so don't bother arguing them. The point is that because we don't
know
who the scum are, it is not all-or-nothing, it's a matter of percentages. Seriously, this is not rocket science, and it doesn't seem to me like you're even thinking about what you're saying.

Oh yeah, and there's the fact that the whole thing was a
reference to a quote
. The point was that I would rather have killed OtM, but I wanted
the day to end and Ben was a decent lynch. Again,
why do you think what I did was scummy
? Give me a real reason. What did I do that scum are more likely to do than town are? Why? Your reasoning is pathetically inadequate right now.

Ok, I'll go with your percentages (Even though I don't agree with them)

How is a 30% chance of a lynch day 1 better than 60% chance day 2?

And if you were only 30% sure of the lynch, why would you hammer?
Here he demonstrates the mental acuity of a wet sock. It's not really scummy so much as sad.
tyhess wrote:That's the problem with your statements-your fine with only being 30% sure. The stronger your being sure, the more likely we are to win, especially with only 1 scum out there.

And I still don't get how in any sense a good lynch is better than a great lynch. It didn't HAVE to be Ben. If you only thought he was a good lynch, then take one for the team and defend him and try to find a GREAT lynch.
More ridiculousness.
tyhess wrote:Ok, no reason really arguing the point at this point. Agreed?
And he gives up as soon as he realises he's losing the argument.
tyhess wrote:You still seem very inclined to lynch him....way to aggressive imo
Here he shows his strong convictions that the obvious is not frequently enough stated and tries to correct it by stating the obvious some more. Again.
tyhess wrote:I'm trying to figure out if theres some role sarcastro could have that would let him wins if he's lynched, but I can't find anything on the rule page, so I doubt it....
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knows
aren't in the game. This is another instance of his trying desperately to look like he's actually trying to contribute.
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tyhess wrote:I'm trying to figure out if theres some role sarcastro could have that would let him wins if he's lynched, but I can't find anything on the rule page, so I doubt it....
Are you
trying
to convince me that you're scum?

If I wanted to be lynched, I'd have been lynched already. I don't want to be lynched; I want to lynch the scum. If somehow I'm wrong about OtM, you're next on the list.
I meant if OTM was lynched.....
And yet it's still a stupid ploy to look like you're contributing.
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There is no lyncher role in this game, so why would you bring it up?
Thats what I said??
Yes, because you love faking contribution.
tyhess wrote:What's there to comment on other than you and OTM going back and forth saying how you can't beleive noone else has lynched the otehr yet??
Maybe you could actually give some opinions on people! You know, demonstrate that you actually care about catching scum? He's only suspected one person all game at this point, and that was me, for a stupid reason.
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mikeburnfire wrote:Those numbers mean nothing to me.
If this isn't the correct lynch
, then all I have to do is not get bombed tonight. Being endgame'd by the mafia isn't the most glorious win, but it's still a win.

vote: Sarcastro

???
After going missing for a week, Tyhess shows up with this gem of a post.
tyhess wrote:I agree with everything aioqwe says, including the part about sarcastro going first.....
Here he's suddenly forgotten that a massclaim is worthless, despite knowing this before. But who cares about the facts? All that's important is agreeing with everybody and trying to be non-controversial.
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Sarcastro wrote:Oh, this is fun. Look what I found:
tyhess wrote:That's dumb in my opinion....If you wanted to do something like that (which I don't), then I would have the bomber come out and say who he is (if there's a counter claim we auto win so theirs no risk in that), then we kill somebody, and he kills somebody that we all agree on. IMO that make more sense than a no lynch.
Care to explain, Tyhess, how you managed to
forget
that there's no point in anybody claiming? Just got a little too caught up in going along with Aioqwe, did we?

Going over your old posts I cannot believe I only had you second to OtM.

different situations idiot
Now he goes ad hominem.
tyhess wrote:I'm almost positive that Sac is scum. I beleive he has a vote on him though so I don't want to put him at lynch -1 at this point in game, until others agree.
You've only called one person scum all game, and yet you're still not willing to go out on a limb and actually vote for him. I wonder what that could mean...
tyhess wrote:Sac-you never had a case against OTM. Ever. I will get back to your question later, but I don't have time right now.
Another worthless post. This is getting boring.
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mikeburnfire wrote:Today you're like "OTM wasn't scum. I should have known. Oh, but Tyhess is scum. Yes, he's obviously scum! Scum scum scum! He's so guilty he should be lynched! I'm completely sure he's scum, even though the rest of you are suspicious!"
Yeah, because I would rather lynch
anyone
than myself. This is generally true, but especially so when
being lynched causes me to lose the game
. So yeah, I'd rather lynch someone I don't even suspect than let myself get lynched.

This whole "case" against me is fucking ridiculous. Seriously, just go look at any game I've played. I
always fucking hone in on the person I think is scummiest
. I
always fucking act overconfident
. What the fuck difference does it make? I want to get the scummiest person lynched. What the hell is wrong with that?

You're all acting like idiots, and you all seem like you could easily be scum right now, except maybe Aegor (even then, his analysis of the remaining players was pretty non-commital).
MBF, you are worse than me for pursuing someone and closing your mind to everyone else.
Do you seriously not have a problem with Tyhess's posts? READ THEM. Seriously. Read them and tell me Tyhess is not the scummiest player in the game. I just can't fucking believe this. Meanwhile, Aioqwe's logic is unbearably ridiculous and yeah, pretty scummy. You find me more suspicious because I'm sticking to my convictions about Tyhess? What the fuck do you think I should do? Switch to someone else? Who? You're not even thinking about
why
I'm scummy, you're just deciding that someone the fact that I'm playing in the way any intelligent player would
expect a town player to play in my situation
, I'm scummy. Yeah, that makes perfect goddamn sense.

I don't care. Lynch me. Go ahead. I will laugh when all but one of you loses. Hell, maybe the scum will just not kill, so the suicide bomber (who, since he is one of you, clearly has no idea what he's doing) can finish off a townie and give everyone the loss. I think I'd like that.

Bole mine

That's teh exact case against you there.....
Here he doesn't even bother to try to understand what I'm saying. He just restates the same stupid things.
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Sarcastro wrote:Yes, Tyhess,
that's my point
. He's doing the
exact
thing he's calling
me
scummy for. How about you stop making worthless filler statements and start explaining yourself, as I asked.
yous said he was worse and more lilkley scum than you for the same exact reason that everyone is attacking you, and he has a stronger case.
Ugh.
tyhess wrote:
Sarcastro wrote:I said he was worse in the sense that he's doing what he's accused me of doing more than I ever did. I didn't say that that made him scum, so it'd be nice if you stopped putting words in my mouth.

Besides, he's going after the easy target, whereas I was going after someone legitimately scummy. So yeah, the former is scummy, the latter is not.
Sarcastro is God he does no evil (except the quick hammer and the way over aggressive push of otm)
For a second I thought you might know what you're talking about. Then you demonstrated that you're still attacking one person for the same lame reasons that have already been debunked.
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Sarcastro wrote:Really? The fact that Tyhess is practically shouting "LOOK AT ME! I'M SCUM!" from the rooftops doesn't count as a lead?!
Didn't you have the same type of case against OTM? (next to nothing?)
Yeah, go ahead, Tyhess. I'm sure if you say it enough times, it'll become true.


So, what have we learned? Well, it seems that Tyhess spent all of day one laying low and pretending to contribute. Starting on day two, he has pushed my lynch based on two bad reasons. Note that he never actually makes a real argument for
why
anything I do is scummy; he just declares that it is. Criticise me for going after OtM if you want, but at least I explained why his actions were scummy.

Even now, Tyhess is just piggybacking on MBF. He's constantly making short posts that restate the same stupid falsehoods. He's not contributing. He has not contributed all game. He's doing
exactly what he said the scum would do in his first post
. I actually feel kind of foolish for not noticing this before today.

Seriously, guys. Just look at his posts. I've laid them all out here with nice commentary. Look at those and tell me Tyhess is playing like a pro-town player.

He is scum.
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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:51 pm

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Finally.
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:29 pm

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Thanks for the PBPA. I'll be re-reading the game within the next few days, and posting my thoughts/what I noticed.
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:28 pm

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All of your claims against me have been answered. And did you even read what you quoted? First off the point about me not saying a counter claim is an auto win, WHEN IT SAYS IT IN THE POST. Then your claiming that I haven't voted for anyone but you, when in your own quotes I have. You also said I haven't contributed to the game, when this is your first actualy post with evidence, after day 1 hammering, day 2 pushing otm the whole day, and day 3 never getting off of me. Don't call me out for something that you've done the whole game and to a bigger extent but trying to force other people to agree with you with no content.
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:44 pm

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Tyhess, stop it. Don't accuse me of not contributing. I don't care if you disagree with my reasons for pushing OtM or my hammering of QuickBen. I don't care if you think all my opinions are scummy or stupid or whatever. The difference is that at least I have
given
my opinions. I have said who I think is scummy and why. You have not. On day one you didn't talk about suspicions
at all
. Since then the only person you've called scummy is me. What is your opinion on Aioqwe? On MBF? On Aegor? Seriously, you have given us nothing all game. All of your posts are excersises in fake contribution. Why, Tyhess, despite how sure you seem to be that I'm scum, were you not willing to put a second vote on me? You haven't even mentioned anyone else as scummy. You've been focused on me the whole time. That in itself isn't terrible if you really have a good reason to believe I'm scum, but you don't. You say that you do, but the fact that you're not even willing to go out on enough of a limb to actually
vote for me
says something.
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:39 am

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so sarc, if tyhess ISN'T scum, who would your second candidate be? Going off what you are attacking typhess fro I would presume Aegor would be next on your list? Aegor pulled off one vote on OTM and an RV.

Typhess your defense fails to explain why you have yet to vote. It also fails to explain why you don't share any opinions on who you find scum aside from sarc.

On the other hand. Sarc's tunnel vision isn't excusable. The only reason that he looks better then ty is that he's provided better reason for his votes (with the exception of the QB hammer). When ty was voting the only reason you had posted up to then was sarc's little good lynch great lynch. Arguing semantics may lead to good information but you dragged it out wayyyy... tooo much
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:54 am

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Aioqwe, I wasn't the one dragging out the argument.

I'm not sure who my second candidate would be. As I said before, both you and MBF have seemed a bit scummy. Aegor hasn't, really, but perhaps I should review his posts.

Of course, my second choice doesn't matter much right now, unless the suicide bomber wants my advice in case of the unlikely scenario that Tyhess is somehow town.
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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:10 am

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Sarcastro wrote:Aioqwe, I wasn't the one dragging out the argument.
that was intended at ty. He initiated the argument on what good lynch/great lynch meant and dragged it out too long.
Sarcastro wrote:I'm not sure who my second candidate would be. As I said before, both you and MBF have seemed a bit scummy. Aegor hasn't, really, but perhaps I should review his posts.
Hmmm... I'm looking at his posts and aegor is coming off scummy IMO... I feel he's hiding in sarc's shadow...
Sarcastro wrote:Of course, my second choice doesn't matter much right now, unless the suicide bomber wants my advice in case of the unlikely scenario that Tyhess is somehow town.
That's the kind of arrogance that bothers me but w/e
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:16 pm

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Well, I'm tired of this. I can lynch Sarcastro or I can lynch Tyhess. Aegor, aioque, who do you think?
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:20 pm

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could we get a vote count?
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:10 am

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can we agree on someone to bomb as well... In case we are wrong?
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:40 am

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Vote Count:

tyhess 1 (Sarcastro)

Not Voting: mikeburnfire, tyhess, aioqwe, Aegor


Five Alive, Three to Lynch.

Deadline is still set for February 3 at 11:45 PM EST. That's about 5 days and 13 hours from now.

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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:45 am

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will be v/la for next couple of days
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:33 am

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I am here and have read the thread; will post later today.
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:14 am

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Whoever we don't lynch between Sarc and Tyhess should be the one that gets bombed at night, provided we are wrong.
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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:32 am

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I'd rather bomb you if we're wrong about Tyhess.
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:44 pm

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Okay, Sarc wants to lynch ty. ty wants to lynch Sarc. As I said, tyhess has exhibited truly strange behavior (like the nit-picking argument about great lynch blahblahblah... that was really weird) that has bordered on scummy. I've already explained this, but if someone would like a full case then I will be happy to bring it forward.

On the other hand, Sarc has been vehement the entire game and incorrect twice (on the QB lynch, which I assume he wasn't entirely committed to, and the OTM lynch, to which he definitely was). However, I have supported him for two main reasons:
1) It didn't seem malevolent; he actually brought forward legitimate cases
2) He was clearly actively scumhunting while no one else really was (myself included). What he did was entirely justifiable because he actually started the game moving

His certainly has adopted a tunnel vision, but it wasn't irrational. OTM was scummy, and tyhess is the most scummy in my opinion.

At this point, I find tyhess most scummy. I'll have to think about the bombing strategy if tyhess turns up innocent.
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:19 pm

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Vote: Sacastro
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:23 pm

Post by Sarcastro »

Seriously, why do you keep spelling my name incorrectly?
[color=darkblue]If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.[/color]
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tyhess
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tyhess
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:26 pm

Post by tyhess »

Vote:Sarcastro
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mikeburnfire
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:24 pm

Post by mikeburnfire »

It's a real toss-up between Sarcastro and Tyhess. Tyhess hasn't been as active, but picking somebody as scum and not bothering to consider alternatives is equally lazy and, in my eyes, shows the same amount of effort. Even though I'm still completely unsold on Sarcastro's townieness and think that focusing on one person until they die is utterly stupid, I'm going to side with him. I cringe as I post this, because my gut tells me that I am about to do something I regret.

vote: Tyhess


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