Ok back from my weekend V/LA …
In my read through I’ve narrowed my top suspects to Friend Computer, Sesq and Revan.
Friend Computer
has looked like a solid scum candidate since his vote for Doom that he responded to my vote for him with “Well, its RVS” which completely sidesteps that it was a bad justified hop onto the solidly leading wagon.
133 I think comes from a scum perspective – he’s showing cognizance of the game state and knowing that I’m generally not scum read and thus he knows FOSing me with nothing but OMGUS behind it is a poor move for his survival. I also think the following shows he isn’t actually forming reads but reacting to the game-state as scum –
In post 153, Friend Computer wrote:Current reads:
Town Lean: Sesq, Hawk (playing aggressively and trying to get information out of me, I feel they are scumhunting)
Null Scum: Doom (for that little slip-up he made in the beginning), the lurkers (sort of meta)
Null read everyone else.
These posts were made less than 20 posts apart. Less than a page’s worth of posting. And I didn’t post a single time in that span. Yet his nulltown read on my disappears completely. I feel if he was really sorting people he’d have some reason to have given that nulltown read in the first place and would not have just dropped it.
Finally the vote at
180 is terrible as he in the same post he makes a vote he knows isn’t valid he calls Superhans null-scum. Absolutely no Town reason to make that vote. However there is scum motivation to appear like scum-hunting while not wanting to antagonize the person you effectively FOS.
Sesq
hit my radar solidly at
130. Others have mentioned and I agree the “why am I getting wagonned for what others have done” sentiment feels like scum expressing “caught for the wrong reasons” frustration. The sudden “here is my full reads list” also feels scum who didn’t realize skating by in the early game was not going to work for and 180ed into a “Super Town Mode”. Then let’s talk about the following posts –
In post 130, Sesq wrote:Also, the one post that people seem to think is scummy (the one where I re-voted on Doom) was because he had those "lol im beginner" post, and thinking i was trying to wagon despite it being within the first 3 votes out of 7 required for lynch. Also, I was re-voting from what was technically pre-game, which I was unaware of.
Let’s look at the original vote in question –
In post 15, Sesq wrote:VOTE: doomfeathers For tossing shade on me with no evidence.
And a quick follow-up post –
In post 18, Sesq wrote:
That was the most reasoning you'll ever see out of RVS.
I don’t see “He was LAMIST posting” in this original vote and the followup basically says “No reasoning to be had”. Even his revote didn’t say “Doom was LAMIST posting”. That logic only appeared after Sesq got pressure for the revote and piggybacked off other people’s logic (my own).
In post 188, Sesq wrote:My post 15 was RVS (and not technically part of the game yet). My second vote on him was based on his LAMIST stuff.
No it wasn’t.
57 and
64 both say it was “same reasoning as earlier vote” which quoted above was “tossing shade”. Nothing about LAMIST at all. Looks very much like retroactive attempt to justify the bad hop on Doom.
Revan
shows all the signs of active lurking scum. He hasn’t posted anything think shows any intent to scum hunt. He asked me two questions (one on experience, one a pointless hypothetical) that cannot be used to parse alignment at all. And posts like
126 are just empty of anything that would from a Town perspective help him parse the game.
226 is also scummy for the same reasons that Friend Computer’s Mod vote is scummy – he’s calling someone out as potential scum but isn’t voting there when by page 10 there is plenty of content to vote on. I fully disagree with anyone who says “Revan doesn’t care –that’s Town”. It’s not. It’s playstyle which is NAI at all.
So that’s where I am currently. A secondary read that I’m contemplating scum on is Mozamis. There are far too many “Oh, that’s Town” reads that don’t make logical sense to me coming from his slot. One of the easiest things a scum team member can do is give out accurate Town reads on a flimsy basis … they know who Town is. But I see some interactions with my stronger scum suspects that don’t say Partner interactions that he’s on the back-burner until some flips and further posting further clarify his alignment.
having is a complete blank slate with his posting being sparse. I expect this to change regardless of his alignment as it doesn’t benefit Town for him to post as he is and as scum leaves himself open to being lynched for lurking if it continues.
Regarding the Daykill – while I’m not going to spend inordinate amounts of time in this post discussing it I think the fact that it was used so early does indicate that scum in general (and perhaps the Daykiller in specific) was under pressure. While Hawk didn’t look inherently scummy he certainly didn’t look unlynchable lock Town that early. So the odds that it was some combination of Sesq / Friend Computer as scum is pretty strong in my mind.
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In post 139, Ultimate Despair wrote:It's so we can be told apart. For instance if I believe that so-and-so is scum and Mukuro believes someone else is scum, you can go and say "Junko, what makes you disagree with your hydra head?" Especially because we might not always agree on reads!
Do you have a Hydra PT? If not PM Untrod Tripod and tell him that MoI said to have you ask for a hydra PT for both your hidden heads to keep any potential hydra dissonance out of the game thread. And then discuss your issues in that PT and resolve your reads.
Hydra dissonance is hugely Anti-Town.
Also @Junko – why were you disagreeing directly with Sesq’s reasoning for scum reading Mozamis and still voting Mozamis as “scum on the Sesq wagon”?
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In post 190, doomfeathers wrote:In any case, Lucca wasn't the killer unless kronos purposely waited to reveal the kill, since kronos posted a vote count since Lucca was last online.
You do know it is general site procedure for Mods with hidden daykills to allow scum to “queue up” the kill to a later time based on any number of criteria, correct?
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In post 211, Ultimate Despair wrote:I'm a bit concerned that scum didn't choose to shoot a more veteran player like MOI or WG, but as long as the "screwup" explanation continues to be plausible, i think that's an issue for a later time
-M
My question to you M is the following – given you’ve gone out of your way to hide your heads why don’t you perceive that you would be a target on what is a weak Burden of Proficiency basis? Also why don’t you include Having or Moz in your list given that they are clearly vets as well?