Open 710: MKUltra - Foreign Spies Win!

[Mikan Tsumiki]

H-Hi!

Ummmmmm....

[Viomi]

VOTE COUNT

Beefster (3) - Sesq, Iconeum, Sky_Paladin

Not_Mafia

(2) - Tatl and Tael, Hawk

Hawk

(2) - Not_Mafia, Beefster

RedFlavor

(2) - Kop, GuyInFreezer

Iconeum

(2) - Mumble, RedFlavor

Mikan Tsumiki

(1) - skitter30

GuyInFreezer

(1) - Mikan Tsumiki

Not Voting:

Nobody!

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Tick tock... (expired on 2018-02-21 22:45:00)

[skitter30]

Sorry for being absent, just finished midterms

RedFlavour and Hawk are lockscum

You're making a rather compelling case for your policy lynch.

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i was unsatisfied with the game state, willing to vote almost anyone, but didnt have any strong scumreads - waiting for a purpose.

And I'm saying that I find this to be scummy.

nobody on the wagon really pings me yet

but i still think sky is scum

Sky is on the wagon ...

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T&T's mumble case is garbage. Mumble is obvtown.

I'm getting townpings from him occasionally but I can't say I feel strongly enough about him to townbin him confidentially.

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HOWEVER, #219 is a very terrible (scummy terrible) and ppl should put some more votes on that dude.

I thought it was a town post tbh.

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There's a bunch of things I rather dislike about TD's readslist but I'm not going to put time into picking it apart because they replaced out and won't be able to like talk about it.

Read on me is actually quite bad imo.

Also it's weird that they asked to be replaced, made a whole readslist, and then popped back in to vote GIF. I don't much like it.

Also I don't get why he out of all of his scumreads/pl's, he picked GIF to vote.

And I suppose I'll never find out lol.
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I have issues with GiF's playstyle as it's hard to derive intent from quite minimalistic posts. However he is actually engaging players in most of these posts - eg 57 when he votes Hawk 'for reaching', 121 when he questions Kop/TD about reaching, expressing an opinion on NM, and a few other things.

So I feel this is more likely to come from town and I'm not really interested in lynching there.

I'm evaluating Beefster's response.

This feels weirdly defensive of GIF tbh? Especially since you start off by saying that it's hard for you to 'derive intent from quite minimalistic posts'. Like his posts are hard for you to parse but you're going to use them to towncase him.

Also like it's weird timing? There isn't much pressure there and it's not like he was in imminent danger of being lynched, so the bolded feels kinda off.

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okay let's just lynch N_M.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

I mean, yes, I support a pl on him in general but I feel like it's too early in the day to settle on a PL on him?

[Viomi]

@mod V/LA for today, will be on tomorrow.

Prodding Kop, again.

[Sesq]

reading this game is as horrible as reading my own death sentence its horrible its horrible make it end

i dont know what to believe

somebody HELP HELP

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

i would deliver """content""" but its all just these minimal proses about these same players i can never tell apart

dont really even have a heart for this shit right now

flying down into the pit of my own despair

someone any someone ANYWHERE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

VOTE: hawk

[GuyInFreezer]

I thought it was a town post tbh.

y

[Sesq]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1mNdvCfsODk

[Sesq]

shit, don't know if that be allowed

fuuuck.

here's the vague transcript:


Not_mafia is not_mafia

he seems unconcerned with game state, doing his own thing, pleasuring himself

Not_Mafia is Not_ playing Mafia

and i think that's something i can respect, although i can see how it's not very helpful. mafia is just a game, just a game, right? yes?

Not_mafia is not mafia.



Sky_Paladin is someone, their posts of a certain type, this someone is a cloudposter. cloudposter is a new word, it's a type of posting that takes random fragments of greater, more elaborate posts, and picks on them, inquires. nothing wrong with inquiry, but there is something wrong when the posts fail to see the bigger picture. it's a bit dishonest, even if just by exclusion. it could be worse. it lacks context. i want to go away. sky_paladin is not mafia.

it could be better. beefster. he's town. you can clearly deliniate where his thoughts are with his posts, any holes poked have been thoroughly explained. there's a great amount of focus. town. unambiguously. beefster is not mafia.

[Beefster]

I forgot why I jumped on the Hawk wagon...

[Not_Mafia]

Because he's scum

[Beefster]

Is that a policy lynch T and T??

VOTE: Not Mafia I'm not opposed since it seems like everyone has voiced at least a bit of concern with him living too long.

I think it was this post.

[skitter30]

I thought it was a town post tbh.

y

Felt genuine and like he was *trying* to me. Like it doesn't feel faked to me.

Why do you think it was scummy?

[Sky_Paladin]

Prod dodge. I wanted to look through Beefster's responses but I've been too busy to do anything.

I did have misgivings about the timing of Tat/Hawk pushing Not Mafia because it looked too early for a consolidate imo.
But then I thought that this is probably a slot I want to see lynched day 1 anyway so...I kind of want to vote there. We don't have to actually wait until the last hours of the phase to mass consolidate somewhere.

My second reason for hesitating is that I think I have massive confirmation bias. This looks exactly like scum!NM that I saw in our previous game and I tried for his lynch and didn't get it.
Am I translating my feelings from that game into this one? Undoubtedly to some extent. The right option was to lynch NM day 1 but no chance originated.

I actually think this game that the right option is still to lynch NM day 1, and now there is a chance. So I am going to push for that chance.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Not Mafia

[GuyInFreezer]

I thought it was a town post tbh.

y

Felt genuine and like he was *trying* to me. Like it doesn't feel faked to me.

Why do you think it was scummy?

That "trying" had a lot of scummy intention.
As if he wanted to justify(? dunno if it's the correct word here) that "townread" too hard

[skitter30]

I actually think this game that the right option is still to lynch NM day 1, and now there is a chance. So I am going to push for that chance.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Not Mafia

I don't really like pl's, but that game showed me he really oughtn't be anywhere near LYLO, and I'd rather pl today than like two (game) days from now or whatever.

I agree that he's playing pretty much exactly the same way he did that game.

VOTE: Not Mafia

I still think TD's slot is scum thoug

I thought it was a town post tbh.

y

Felt genuine and like he was *trying* to me. Like it doesn't feel faked to me.

Why do you think it was scummy?

That "trying" had a lot of scummy intention.
As if he wanted to justify(? dunno if it's the correct word here) that "townread" too hard

It felt more *try* than *tryhard* to me. Less like he was trying to justify it and more like he was trying to work out what he was thinking.

[Iconeum]

Yo skitter, yesterday it was too soon for a NM lynch and 24h later you settle for it? What's up with that?
Don't you have TD to push with so much time left on the clock?

[skitter30]

a) me pushing TD wasn't really gaining traction so me sitting on my vanity wagon doesn't exactly accomplish much.

Like the slot is kinda absent and no one is listening to me, so me and my one vote can't do very much right now, but I'm hoping that if I say it enough maybe someone will join me at some point. If a TD-slot wagon re-emerges I'll rejoin it happily.

b) Yesterday I was objecting to the fact that it felt kinda too early to settle for a PL cuz I want to ensure that the day doesn't get cut off prematurely, but the gamestate is starting to get kinda stale/apathetic and like no one's talking.

The only wagon with *any* sort of momentum rn is the NM one, partially because Sky just voted there, so I decided to join it to see if anything interesting happens.

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@mod

: I'm going to be v/la Sunday-Wednesday cuz I'm traveling to a wedding. I'll probably be able to post, but not super regularly.

[GuyInFreezer]

Yes let's PL with two scumsided nightkills

[Not_Mafia]

Hawk and RedFlavour are obvscum

[Iconeum]

Hawk and RedFlavour are obvscum

Convince me

[Beefster]

Yes let's PL with two scumsided nightkills

I sarcastically agree with this sarcastic remark. As in I agree with what it's actually saying, not what it is literally saying.

If you want to lynch Not_Mafia because he's scum, that's one thing, but we can't really afford a policy lynch in multiball.

[RedFlavor]

reading this game is as horrible as reading my own death sentence its horrible its horrible make it end

i dont know what to believe

somebody HELP HELP

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

i would deliver """content""" but its all just these minimal proses about these same players i can never tell apart

dont really even have a heart for this shit right now

flying down into the pit of my own despair

someone any someone ANYWHERE

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

VOTE: hawk

Same TBH

shit, don't know if that be allowed

fuuuck.

here's the vague transcript:


Not_mafia is not_mafia

he seems unconcerned with game state, doing his own thing, pleasuring himself

Not_Mafia is Not_ playing Mafia

and i think that's something i can respect, although i can see how it's not very helpful. mafia is just a game, just a game, right? yes?

Not_mafia is not mafia.



Sky_Paladin is someone, their posts of a certain type, this someone is a cloudposter. cloudposter is a new word, it's a type of posting that takes random fragments of greater, more elaborate posts, and picks on them, inquires. nothing wrong with inquiry, but there is something wrong when the posts fail to see the bigger picture. it's a bit dishonest, even if just by exclusion. it could be worse. it lacks context. i want to go away. sky_paladin is not mafia.

it could be better. beefster. he's town. you can clearly deliniate where his thoughts are with his posts, any holes poked have been thoroughly explained. there's a great amount of focus. town. unambiguously. beefster is not mafia.

How did you conclude that not_mafia and sky is not mafia?
You said what they do but not why those things make them townie

[Hawk]

Yes let's PL with two scumsided nightkills

I feel like this is fairly towny.

As to why I am advocating PL on not mafia it seems like it's better to get that out of the way early especially if are 2 NKs rather than wait till later in the game to sort him.

I don't see anyone posing better alternatives really.

Beefster I'm not sold on. I tried to push on mumble (I'll admit it wasn't the most solid case.) And redflavor is still scummy imo.

Sky hasn't been playing his usual town game (Not that I'm entirely sure what that looks like I've only played one game with him. We were masons.)

TDs replacement has said nothing since replacing in.

There's just not a lot of activity going on in this game.

[GuyInFreezer]

Let me just show you the math

13 players: 9:2:2

D1 mislynch + two town kills = 6:2:2
D2 mislynch + two town kills = 3:2:2

If the luck is not in our favor we can get rekt in 2 mislynches
2. mislynches.

Do you know what this mean?

[Hawk]

Let me just show you the math

13 players: 9:2:2

D1 mislynch + two town kills = 6:2:2
D2 mislynch + two town kills = 3:2:2

If the luck is not in our favor we can get rekt in 2 mislynches
2. mislynches.

Do you know what this mean?

Also yes that is worst case scenario. Who says the Policy Lynch hits town?? Are you that convinced lynching NM flips green? That's some scum partner talk there.

It's not optimal but everyonen is seemingly divided which is odd because the two scumteams should be hunting too..

Who would you lynch if not NM? RedFlavor? I can concede that a PL is worse than lynching someone I feel is scummy. My bad.

VOTE: RedFlavour