Newbie 1863: Rugby - Game Over

[Flicker]

Oh, hell, I'll put him at L-1, then.

VOTE: James Brafin

I was curious to hear his case against me, which is another reason I wanted to wait (in addition to fears of a quick hammer). Since I don't think we're gonna get it, and it seems like the day in general is winding down, I figure, let's get this show on the road. Teacher, feel free to claim intent to hammer instead.

PEdit: I think it's related to the ongoing game he mentioned (in maybe too much detail).

[Flicker]

EBWOP:

@Thor, my pedit is directed at you, just to be clear.

[Oxy]

Oh, hell, I'll put him at L-1, then.

This feels like half of an if, then statement.

e.g., "Oh, hell, if ..., then I'll put him at L-1."

What was the if clause?

[Flicker]

"If teacher won't," given his reluctance. It made sense initially, but now it strikes me as a little too concerned or accommodating.

[Oxy]

Okay, that makes sense.

But why is your voting decision influenced by teacher's reluctance?

Also, the "Oh, hell," makes it sound like his reluctance frustrates you.

Why does it frustrate you that he is being reluctant?

[Flicker]

His continued expressions of reluctance made me realize that my (similar) reluctance no longer made sense. So, I'm frustrated with him, myself, and the game in general - it feels like we're in a weird, in-between space where the day is basically over except for the actual lynch.

[Oxy]

I hope you're wrong in your assessment.

I don't think James is scum.

Scum wants to fit in. Scum tells are usually small variations from the mean.

Truly aberrant behavior is far more likely to come from town. (Such as the text formatting)

His meta is stale, but his last scum game had a number of cringe worthy comments.

Things like, "And that let's scum get away scott free!"

I don't see those here. (Yes, he could have gotten better in his time away from the game.)

Much of what he is being scum read for - his pushes and the reasoning behind them - seem like the natural progression from the playstyle he was using the last time he was active, and is not alignment indicative for him.

[Not Known 15]

I hope you're wrong in your assessment.

I don't think James is scum.

Scum wants to fit in. Scum tells are usually small variations from the mean.

Truly aberrant behavior is far more likely to come from town. (Such as the text formatting)

His meta is stale, but his last scum game had a number of cringe worthy comments.

Things like, "And that let's scum get away scott free!"

I don't see those here. (Yes, he could have gotten better in his time away from the game.)

Much of what he is being scum read for - his pushes and the reasoning behind them - seem like the natural progression from the playstyle he was using the last time he was active, and is not alignment indicative for him.

I still don't get their reasoning for the unvote and for the revote; and my question related to that has not been answered.

Truly aberrant behavior is far more likely to come from town. (Such as the text formatting)

It can be a scum strategy, though(WIFOM). If the player is not aware of its aberrance then it is NAI.

[Oxy]

I still don't get their reasoning for the unvote and for the revote; and my question related to that has not been answered.

This is still a fair question, and I don't have an answer. I do have another question, though.

If town is feeling this slow, inevitable march towards a lynch,

And no other wagon is gaining traction,

What are the chances we're on scum?

This game reeks of sit back and watch town beat itself!

[teacher]

ALL of the above is true, and ALL of it is why I was reluctant. (1) I have a stronger scum read on others; (2) I worry that James softed pr, heightened by other games; (3) it is the weekend so I wanted to give him a chance to come back and answer the unvote and Flicker questions; and (4) Flicker expressed reluctance and I was not sure if L-1 without warning is frowned upon here (nauci provided intent to L-1, but didnt wind up doing it).

I have no intention of claiming hammer this weekend. I have stronger scum inclinations on Meji; and questions about as strong regarding two other slots. My vote will stay where it is for now. My strongest (almost lock) townread is elephant. If Elephant wants to lead a different wagon, I will sheep it quick to get pressure.

[Flicker]

@Oxy: You make a good point about the lack of arguments (or counter-wagons pushed) against James' lynch. Would you like me to unvote? I'd also consider switching my vote to where you are, if you weren't voting for me.

[Oxy]

@Oxy: You make a good point about the lack of arguments (or counter-wagons pushed) against James' lynch. Would you like me to unvote? I'd also consider switching my vote to where you are, if you weren't voting for me.

My preferred lynch pool today includes You, Meji, and Nauci. In that order.

[teacher]

You, Meji, and Nauci

Want to triple on Meji?

To be honest, Im happy having my vote on Meji or Nauci, would view JB as a compromise, and might sheep an NK15 or Flicker but have less scum inclinations on them (particularly Flicker). Elephant has my promise on a sheep anyone but me.

[Oxy]

@teacher Let me side track you for a second - talk to me briefly about your NK15 read.

[teacher]

talk to me briefly about your NK15 read.

Its a low info read. TGP was active but afk (made me sus this slot). NK came into the game and provided three suspects (Fair enough). Said they were sheeping/townreading you (fair enough). Seemed to have analyzed a fair amount of the game, but hasnt said much outside of the focus on those three suspects, including a deep wall on JB. Id sheep this position to get pressure on more contributions, and for carryover sus from TGP. Id much rather be on Nauci or Meji.

I have strong town lean on elephant. I townlean you. I townlean Flicker because I think she has posted game advancing content. I read your case on her, and I just see the quotes differently. I also have a bit of a personal bias. At two separate points I have misread posts of hers. I was her strongest scumread, but she didnt pull a James and put MISREP in bolded red caps. She pointed it out courteously. Since at that point she was advocating lynching me, that attitude doesnt seem like something scum seeking a townlynch would do. On balance, I just like her content.

[Flicker]

My preferred lynch pool today includes You, Meji, and Nauci. In that order.

Welp. The only one on that list I'd be okay with lynching is Meji.

Also, I noticed you didn't answer my most pressing question, so I'll repeat it here:

Do you want me to unvote/switch my vote off James?

[Oxy]

Okay, thought maybe you had seen something spicy from him.

At two separate points I have misread posts of hers. I was her strongest scumread, but she didnt pull a James and put MISREP in bolded red caps.

I could argue this is more playstyle indicative than anything else, but let's save it.

How about a Meji wagon?

In addition to points brought up already in this thread,

If James is town, there is probably 0-1 scum currently voting for him.

Meji stated that they think James is town

but didn't do anything to try to defend him, or push a different read.

VOTE: Meji Fan

p.edit I am not responsible for your vote, nor do I really want to coach my top scum read on where to put her vote? I believe you are currently voting town. Do with that information as you see fit! =)

[teacher]

Do you want me to unvote/switch my vote off James?

I know the question wasnt to me, but TBH, I dont

yet

. The reason for doing it would be that "nobody's pushing a counterwagon" But that is what Oxy is doing (even though I dont greatly sus it). I also dont mind having the L-1 pressure on James to come back and provide the case on you, as well as an answer to NK's unvote question. Its the weekend - a time when I would normally be v/la with my kids - so he might not have even checked in today.

If you have equally strong town on Elephant (and you both have towned him), Id say it would be good to form a block. We may all sus each other (flicker has sus'd me; Oxy has sus'd Flicker; Im pretty null on you two), but we all seem to trust him, and that provides a pretty strong block for pressure.

[teacher]

I will echo Oxy though. Death to anyone who doesnt provide 12 hours warning on a hammer over the weekend. And Flicker, be aware that its a hammer blow away tomorrow so check in please.

[Flicker]

I guess I'd be down for forming a block with Irrelephant?

I gotta go to bed now, though. See y'all in the morning.

PEdit: Will do.

[Oxy]

@Thor

Plenty of room on this Meji Wagon, and you get your choice of sparkling or mineral water!

[Meji Fan]

I've been trying to encourage people toward who I want them to vote for, and I've gone so far as to expliicitly say I didn't want a James lynch, so, lynch me if you like but those are some silly reasons

[mhsmith0]

Votecount 1.05

James Brafin (4)Thor665 , Irrelephant11 , Not Known 15 , Flicker, L-1

teacher (1) , Nauci
Nauci (1)Meji Fan ,
Meji Fan (2)teacher , Oxy
Not Known 15 (1) James Brafin

Day one deadline is Wednesday April 25th, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-04-25 21:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[teacher]

@Mod-Should I take it from the VC that it is a no on the extension (166)?

[Thor665]

@Thor

Plenty of room on this Meji Wagon, and you get your choice of sparkling or mineral water!

I agree with that.
The problem is you're basically going 'hey, Thor, unvote the person you want lynched who has lots of votes, and join us on this person you want lynched with far fewer votes!"
To which the obvious reply is - 'why?'

There are a lot of people voting vanity wagons at the moment, you should try to get those votes moved, if the Meji wagon becomes competitive then it's a good time to court me.