A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Invisibility]

what is mastina claims a guilty on every user

if*

like individually

This would never happen. It’s tactically suicidal dude. Why are you agonizing over an impossibility?

to confirm the role?

HOW? The role only confirms if it targets TOWN if Mastina’s claim is true.

if someone gets gladiated yay we found a town and a scum

HOOOOOW? You’re reading the role wrong what even-

"i have a guilty on such and such"
*nothing happens*
"i have a guilty on so and so"
*nothing happens*
"i have a guilty on mr. guy"
*gladiate*
lynch mr. guy
lynch tomorrow on flip

[jjh927]

We never lynch anyone that is successfully gladiated, vizzy

Always lynch Mastina if gladiate is successful

[Invisibility]

wait

[Invisibility]

nvm but still

[jjh927]

It's loyal, if Mastina is town it can only target other town

[Invisibility]

my point stands just mastina not mr. guy

[jjh927]

One way of looking at it would be as a cop though, you're right.

If she only gladiates guilty people, she can combo guilties that we don't bother to lynch until she eventually succesfully gladiates someone, then we lynch her and get a conftown and X number of guilties or we lynch scum

just comboing guilties like that would be super hard and X can equal 0

[Innocent Children]

If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.

Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.

It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it was

me, dio

scum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.

P-pardon me but c-can't the role have added power to it if she lynches a teammate o-or it's just worded like that so she looks good on a role cop? F-for all we know I think the claim is n-nai and it's not like scum mastina w-wouldn't claim it. I-I do think you believe this argument though! You could work in our cafe i-if you wanted that is...

mfw I misclick 1 color over-I mean o-oh deary me whoopsie!
Pedit: I-it can be worded like that to j-just look nice on a rolecop along with having other parts of the role n-no? I don't see why she'd claim that as town in the first place! ...Well it is Mastina

Why are we talking about rolecops? Let marina's claim sort itself, like any Miller claim. I think the simplest solution is Mastina is lying rather than a risk a mislynch 1 shot cop deal. The role makes no sense = probably a lie, sort why later.

My role in my recent MU game made no sense but why do you think she’s lying? I will say that she did lie in Minuet about her role. She fakeclaimed D3 IC iirc? but was in actuality mafia vig, so I would definitely think it’s wise to take hers and probably most early claims with a grain of salt.

Occam's Razor. If a role provides no utility for town in any theory, then it's scum. If there's no scum utility, it's probably town. Those suppose honesty. Yet marina's claim makes zero sense for town as claimed. It does not help scum either. Given mods do not design roles that lack utility, we're looking at mastina lying about some part of her claim or something novel that mastina role counters.

Yeah that definitely makes sense. I’m thinking this is town!you here. This is more like team hydra you then Heroes you. But having the word “hated” in your role is odd. However, RC also has negative utility roles, or at least he did in Labrynth but I agree with you that all RC roles are clearly AI, so it would seem if the role isn’t blatantly AI, something’s probably not right.

[Innocent Children]

This whole thing was Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, IC.

Well, Nos would be very wrong about that then.

I mean, you didn't pick up on random's fairly obvious joke and took it seriously, and then you still didn't really pick up on it when 2-3 people insisted it was a joke, then you didn't pick up on Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, twice.

Oh and the savage thing was me saying that Nos was being a savage and also because he flavourclaimed A it was wordplay

So your track record is pretty bad rn, I've got to say

It’s still ND39 posting right? I recall her saying she had trouble with that in Heroes Wanted

That one post was from my hydra partner. I get ragged on that in almost every game I’ve ever played. It used to upset me but it doesn’t really bother me that much anymore - unless of course it’s excessive like in Hourglass.

[jjh927]

Can I just make it absolutely clear that there IS town utility in Mastina's claimed role, there is actually NEGATIVE scum utility in Mastina's claimed role, and the required creative application surrounding it that obfuscates this truth means that it does not garner towncred. This is what makes it a town role.

If there is any further clarification needed on those first 3 points by people who don't want to look through my iso then I will explain it again.

If you want to disagree with calling roles town in an RC game then go do something worth your time instead.

[Innocent Children]

Find a single instance of me lying about my role as scum.

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not automatic; I have to manually trigger it.

Ayyyyyyyyyyy

Thanks IC, that was super helpful

Yeah, I was like wtf when I read that. I honestly don’t understand why anyone tries to falsify their meta. She knew I was in that game.

[Vaxkiller]

I just want to see mastinas role in action

[Vaxkiller]

Before you know it, she will show up and say "so I was right but becuase of mod errors my rol eis actually X y and Z"

[Nero Cain]

Daykill: Innocent Children

vote:Chick

[Nero Cain]

also, Mastina should totally use her power on Chick.

[Invisibility]

why

[Innocent Children]

Daykill: Innocent Children

vote:Chick

Why?

[Vaxkiller]

Daykill: Innocent Children

vote:Chick

If this is true. It was an awful shot. Why would you daykill innocent over chickdee

[jjh927]

I think it's a bit early in the day for Mastina to consider using her power fwiw, and that's if she does it at all

Later in the day when reads are more formulated would be ideal.



As mentioned earlier, the ideal way to use it would be to combo guilties and we'd need high accuracy for that

[Nero Cain]

now I wish I used it on Vax.

[Invisibility]

I think it's a bit early in the day for Mastina to consider using her power fwiw, and that's if she does it at all

Later in the day when reads are more formulated would be ideal.



As mentioned earlier, the ideal way to use it would be to combo guilties and we'd need high accuracy for that

yeah ik

[jjh927]

Chances of that being a real daykill are basically 0

[Nero Cain]

why

Why not? Chick is pretty scummy and maybe scum, she's scummy as town as well so getting her checked is a good idea. Also, leaving Mastina with a 1 shot claim that she'll lord over us the entire game doesn't seem like the best idea.

[Innocent Children]

lol

i want to do work, please stop giving poor nancy a heart attack that i have to deal with

thx

~dis

[Nero Cain]

Why did you have a heart attack over getting daykilled?