Mewtaph's not at L-1, but why would you place a vote without catching up first anyway?
i can always change it as i read further but i already have a strong read here and placing a vote down first is always better than not voting
VOTE: mew
im on page 3 and im starting to disagree a lot with dannflor? but i still have them as a pretty strong villa read for how they push things
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:46 am
by LolWagons
In post 214, podoboq wrote:Alright, let's do this. I don't like color coding my reads lists, because someone accused me in my first game on site of trying to subliminally affect others' perceptions. So in order to make this readable, I'm just gonna use my mod color for everyone!
Towny
LolWagons
LolWagons entire iso is trying to interact and sort players. I don't think there's anything specific I need to cite. At this point, LolWagons is playing a lot, and appears
to not be afraid to disagree with people. I like this slot a lot.
You literally said this. It’s the exact opposite of what Trekkie stated.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:47 am
by sheepsaysmeep
i didnt fucking read the game before replacing in
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:52 am
by podoboq
In post 252, LolWagons wrote:You literally said this. It’s the exact opposite of what Trekkie stated.
I read a lot of disagreement from you with regards to Mewtaph. That made me like your slot.
Then Trekkie comes in and discounts it. He says you're not getting too involved, and I thought you were getting pretty involved with Mewtaph. So I find common ground, and ask him to elaborate, because it'll help me figure out what I think of Trekkie. Doesn't mean I agree with him. Just that I want to cooperate with him.
The fact that you're not comfortable with that is fascinating to me, though. Please continue.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:57 am
by mbaki
In post 214, podoboq wrote:Writing your own name instead of "myself" is a common and successful trick. On Survivor, there's an understanding that once your name is in people's mouths, it'll never leave. If you've been talked about being voted out, you will never truly be safe again, because it's a name people know has some kind of traction. In mafia, the same thing is true. "____, ____, and mbaki is the town core I am working with," makes other people see that people are talking about mbaki as part of a town core when they're skimming. It makes it look like mbaki is considered a part of town, but it's artificial, because you're the one putting yourself in that town core. It's like including yourself in your own readslist.
I do usually include myself in reads lists. It helps for factoring numbers, games can be solved by having the majority of the player list as town reads.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:57 am
by mbaki
In post 214, podoboq wrote:A less arcane problem is that this post just displays zero scumhunting, and is just coasting off of the town pool that Dannflor laid out. There is no controversy in mbaki's posts. There's no real thought. No action was taken to move the game forward, which, if he's scum, indicates he's happy with the current flow of the game. I'm worried this means that scum!mbaki is happy with us voting for xtoxm, but for now, I want to pressure that slot regardless.
Outright false.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:57 am
by podoboq
In post 255, mbaki wrote:I do usually include myself in reads lists.
Y I K E S
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:58 am
by mbaki
In post 214, podoboq wrote:I can't tell if mbaki's push on GE is scummy or not, but it's garbage either way. The fact that he came to the same conclusion, "I don't believe Gamma Emerald read the game and came to the conclusion his current nitpick is how he's going to find scum," but his next step was "therefore he's scum," doesn't make sense to me when that reads as extremely towny to me. Either mbaki is mistaking bad play for scummy play, or mbaki is just trying to justify his scumread without any real supporting evidence.
Except I'm
not voting Gamma Emerald
?
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:58 am
by sheepsaysmeep
mew's posting/questions are terrible to top of page 5 so far
im just strugglign to see that this is ever genuine solving rather than trying too hard to look like a really active solver
1) rvs; irrelevant
2) theory post; irrelevant (queue the "why are we discussing this")
3) agree with someone else; relevant, though not starting discussion nor scumhunting
4) random 1-liner; irrelevant
5) agree with someone; relevant, as this post l-1s someone
6) random takeaway; irrelevant
7) "why are we discussing this"; irrelevant
In conclusion, there are exactly two posts relevant to the game in your iso. One of them puts a player at l-1, and one of them agrees with something another player says. Neither advances discussion, provides insight, or affects the game-state... other than bringing a wagon to l-1.
Why aren't
you
discussing
anything
, and why is #124 the thing you choose to comment on when there is game relevant content around and after it including from me?
I mean, you
DID
vote for him, and you're still pushing the narrative that he's scum even though your vote is parked on someone who just replaced for the time being.
In post 252, LolWagons wrote:You literally said this. It’s the exact opposite of what Trekkie stated.
I read a lot of disagreement from you with regards to Mewtaph. That made me like your slot.
Then Trekkie comes in and discounts it. He says you're not getting too involved, and I thought you were getting pretty involved with Mewtaph. So I find common ground, and ask him to elaborate, because it'll help me figure out what I think of Trekkie. Doesn't mean I agree with him. Just that I want to cooperate with him.
The fact that you're not comfortable with that is fascinating to me, though. Please continue.
Noooo you’re trying to reframe switching a position as offering an olive branch to a player. You specifically say I’m interacting with players. Players. Plural. Not just Mew. Now you’re trying to say my only meaningful interaction was with Mew. It is not semantics. Because I’d have a hard time believing that you would townread someone who you thought was only interacting with Mew. This is a position change and you’re not owning it.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:15 am
by LolWagons
And even after this exchange you could have been like “oh damn, you know what, yeah, I might be wrong”
I literally just did that on my mbaki townread
The fact you’re not wanting to own a reads change and are trying to reframe it is hella suss
In post 252, LolWagons wrote:You literally said this. It’s the exact opposite of what Trekkie stated.
I read a lot of disagreement from you with regards to Mewtaph. That made me like your slot.
Then Trekkie comes in and discounts it. He says you're not getting too involved, and I thought you were getting pretty involved with Mewtaph. So I find common ground, and ask him to elaborate, because it'll help me figure out what I think of Trekkie. Doesn't mean I agree with him. Just that I want to cooperate with him.
The fact that you're not comfortable with that is fascinating to me, though. Please continue.
Noooo you’re trying to reframe switching a position as offering an olive branch to a player. You specifically say I’m interacting with players. Players. Plural. Not just Mew. Now you’re trying to say my only meaningful interaction was with Mew. It is not semantics. Because I’d have a hard time believing that you would townread someone who you thought was only interacting with Mew. This is a position change and you’re not owning it.
In post 170, bristep123 wrote:I'm not feeling the Gamma push, need to keep an eye on that. Especially Xtotm who only said 'Gamma is scumposting' but didn't vote. That's my thought anyway.
Bri’s apathy is a bit annoying but that a fairly Townie thought process
Sorry mew on mobile and am not going to one on one a wall but I haven’t forgot about your response
No clue on Gamma. Thought I knew how to read him and a game just wonder where I was wrong.
I’m hanging up the Mewtaph hat for now, I genuinely can’t tell if it’s a play style difference or I’m onto something but I’m willing to look elsewhere.
Bri made a good point about Xtom and I’m not parking my vote on a slot that needs replaced so
VOTE: Xtotm
These were enough high quality posts, interacting with the game and talking about other players, that I came out liking your slot. I'll admit that I didn't notice that every other post in your ISO was talking only to Mewtaph. I wasn't very observant. That still didn't completely change my read on you.
I think it's hilarious however that your response here is to attack a person for wavering by essentially saying they should have noticed it earlier. Like, you're not denying that it's a valid perspective that you're scummy. You're just saying it's scummier that I didn't notice how scummy you were acting before posting my readslist.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:20 am
by podoboq
In post 266, LolWagons wrote:The fact you’re not wanting to own a reads change and are trying to reframe it is hella suss
Oh don't worry, the read on your has changed. It's just not because of the lack of meaningful interactions directly with other players. I think you can interact with the game without talking to players individually. I misread you leaving opinions on the game, and interacting heavily with Mewtaph, as you interacting with several players in the game. I don't think the realization that I was missing something means that you're scummy.
LolWagons entire iso is trying to interact and sort players. I don't think there's anything specific I need to cite. At this point, LolWagons is playing a lot, and appears
to not be afraid to disagree with people. I like this slot a lot.
It’s not about the direction you read me (town to scum or vice versa) it’s about the shift and your unwillingness to acknowledge it until I told you that owning it would have been indirect better then trying to reframe it as “finding common ground”
Of course it’s a valid perspective. He has a right to think that. I selectively disengaged during the Gamma push. The difference between you and him is he fucking owned it up front.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:27 am
by Trekkie99
In post 242, LolWagons wrote:It’s more the fact you checked my ISO this morning and now that someone is suspecting me you’re suddenly shifting to an opinion that I’ve only contributed in regards to the Mewtaph exchange, which is probably partially true but I’ve engaged with other players and have reads on them, so it’s more of a relative comparison (I came in very engaged and hopped off when things got less interesting).
Personally I've found very little of your "engagement with other players" not including your ongoing activity with podoboq, and your contributions in the exchange between you and Mewtaph are lacking IMO.
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:27 am
by Thespio
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:28 am
by podoboq
In post 270, LolWagons wrote:Of course it’s a valid perspective. He has a right to think that. I selectively disengaged during the Gamma push. The difference between you and him is he fucking owned it up front.
Still don't think you being disengaged indicates that you're scum. This last couple of pages does, though.
