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In post 231, Farkran wrote:

In post 176, emps wrote:also fark, why do ur reads changed based off of ppls read on u?

In post 193, emps wrote:what do you guys think of farks reads being reactive to everyone elses reads on them?

I'm not adjusting reads based on words only, rather on actions. I had assumed (and i'm still not entirely convinced) that she was NOT aware her hammer vote was fake, since i genuinely thought speaking after having been lynched was going against the rules. I still think it should not be allowed: if you get lynched, you either prepared your testament in advance (like we used to do in old forum mafias through the [lastwill] command) or you go out silent. For this reason, i changed my mind on Selynee being townish.

Besides, you and Selynee are the only ones i changed my mind about. You said you weren't going to L-1 me and then two posts later you did, lol. More explanations on this on the my answers below.

In post 182, Sushi Martyr wrote:

Selynee wrote:Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a real hammer against town page 6, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?

@ Farkran: Can you answer the question at the end of it? That part confused me too (you putting NMSA at 70% town).

I understand you think of me as a newbie, and legitimately so since this is my first game in this forum, and my first mafia game altogether after more than 7 years. I'm not hiding behind the newbie shield though, i am getting tells from people's posts and actions. Most pro-town people at the moment are notmyspam, Menalque, possibly sushi. I also really didn't like epic posts, i'd like to hear more from him - skitter is hiding behind VLA so anything i say about her would be irrelevant at this point.

In post 217, Sushi Martyr wrote:

In post 174, Farkran wrote:

In post 173, Selynee wrote:Nah, not against the rules. Also, if there was a real hammer against town page 6, person would be lynched 90% of the time D2. Not such a great deal for mafia.

Why is Notspam town?

Are you saying anyone hammering town in d1 is going to be lynched d2? How optimistic of you. I like your style though, you really look like town when questioning like that. It's your actions that i am doubting.

@ Farkran: Forgive me if I'm being dense, but are you being sarcastic here?

Yes, i'm being overly sarcastic. Because, at one point during this day, someone WILL hammer a player and chances are it will be on a town vanilla due to sheer odds statistics. How in the world does that mean that whoever hammered him will be lynched in d2? I didn't like that reasoning at all. Someone has to be lynched, that i can agree with, but the way you do it gives tells.

In post 222, teacher wrote:

In post 167, Farkran wrote:

In post 159, teacher wrote:
Hammer testing tends town or partner. Why does it make you scumread them?

And emps, I always reread rvs. Some of the more useful associations are there, before scum get the feel of the room and can play into/against it as needed.

That didn't look hammer testing to me. Claiming (or speaking at all) after being lynched is against the rules if i am not mistaken. That looked more like genuine rushy bandwagon.

How do you define hammertesting?

It can’t be a bandwagon because they were already there. So answer the question: why does a second, and purportedly hammer (but not) - vote strike you as scummy?

Also, why is bandwaggoning scummy?

Try to see it from my point of view. If she wasn't aware of fakehammering, it would be a huge bandwagon move. I insist on saying she wasn't aware of it because it didn't made sense to me, since speaking after having lynched is against the rules - that's what i thought. There's even a line about "bah-posting". Could we actually get this mod-clarified? Can you speak after having been hammered or not?

Also, bandwagoning on the early train is one of the scummiest tells to me. That moved Selynee down my list of suspected scum.

In post 107, Menalque wrote:Hey emps do you wanna put farkran at L-1?

In post 108, emps wrote:no, at least not till everyone has checked in.

In post 113, Menalque wrote:Everyone has checked in tho

In post 115, emps wrote:oh everyone has?

In post 119, emps wrote:VOTE: farkran

L-1

In post 244, emps wrote:stop wallposting please ty

In post 242, teacher wrote:

In post 232, teacher wrote:How do you define bandwagoning? I ask because I disagree - it wouldn’t have been wagonninf if they thought they were elsewhere, it would be hammering. So what do you mean by calling it bandwagonnjng?

Could you actually answer this btw?

In post 253, teacher wrote:Fark- sorry for the deluge of questions, but what is your native tongue?

In post 252, emps wrote:that's the actual thing and I don't see how you misrep that so badly

In post 255, Farkran wrote:bandwagoning is the act of voting on someone who already has a reasonable share of votes for the purpose of ending the day quickly with a complete mislynch, or aiming at the least information-giving lynch of a town player (not my case, since i've been talking and addressed to so much). In a 2 mafia VS 7 town setup with a hammer on the 5th, the third vote on someone is already a borderline bandwagon move, the fourth and the hammer are much more scummy though.

In post 255, Farkran wrote:What does defending the VLA accomplish? Again, is there a rule that forbids being scum while on VLA? I am questioning you, exactly the same way you're questioning me. No offense taken, no offense given.

In post 257, Farkran wrote:

In post 252, emps wrote:that's the actual thing and I don't see how you misrep that so badly

Sorry? Skitter is still VLA, you know - she posted about being VLA, but didn't add anything to the discussion. Would you call that a "check in"?

In post 255, Farkran wrote:

In post 242, teacher wrote:

In post 232, teacher wrote:How do you define bandwagoning? I ask because I disagree - it wouldn’t have been wagonninf if they thought they were elsewhere, it would be hammering. So what do you mean by calling it bandwagonnjng?

Could you actually answer this btw?

In my experience, bandwagoning is the act of voting on someone who already has a reasonable share of votes for the purpose of ending the day quickly with a complete mislynch, or aiming at the least information-giving lynch of a town player (not my case, since i've been talking and addressed to so much). In a 2 mafia VS 7 town setup with a hammer on the 5th, the third vote on someone is already a borderline bandwagon move, the fourth and the hammer are much more scummy though. Melanque was the third vote on me, after which emps immediately jumped on the train despite claiming not to, and Selynee attempted her move which did not make sense in my eyes due to a misunderstanding of the game rules.

With that said, i moved emps and Selynee down in my list of suspects.

Did Selynee know about the fakehammer? Perhaps. Sushi didn't notice it at first. I almost didn't notice it, but i wouldn't have said anything anyways.

The reason i'm suspecting you, teacher, is your behavior behind the words said. You were quick to defend skitter for no reason at all. What does defending the VLA accomplish? Again, is there a rule that forbids being scum while on VLA? I am questioning you, exactly the same way you're questioning me. No offense taken, no offense given.

Again, i didn't even doubt skitter's VLA claim, i just said i couldn't have a reading on her because she isn't here to speak. That was the whole meaning behind the word "hiding". I didn't even vote against her, or ask for her to be modkilled or anything.

In post 244, emps wrote:stop wallposting please ty

In post 246, teacher wrote:This post is odd though - you’re again doing the same thing with “sprouted a reaction from you only”. I reacted in 6 minutes. Are you suggesting someone else should have weighed in in that time? If not, why say it? (These are not rhetorical questions, I actually want answers)

Finally, you say “this” is one of the main reasons I’m on your suspect list. What is “this”? Defending Skitter in an RVS post?

In post 234, Nexus wrote:

Votecount 1.3:

Menalque (1) -

teacher, NotMySpamAccount

Farkran (2) -

Seleynee, emps

teacher (1) -

Farkran

NotMySpamAccount (1) -

Menalque

Not voting (3) -

skitter30, Sushi Martyr, EpicCreeper9002

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 9am BST on the 28th August 2019. (expired on 2019-08-28 09:00:00)[/b]

teacher wrote:

In post 246, teacher wrote:This post is odd though - you’re again doing the same thing with “sprouted a reaction from you only”. I reacted in 6 minutes. Are you suggesting someone else should have weighed in in that time? If not, why say it? (These are not rhetorical questions, I actually want answers)

Finally, you say “this” is one of the main reasons I’m on your suspect list. What is “this”? Defending Skitter in an RVS post?

@Fark - just noting the other two pending questions from before the pageshift.

In post 259, emps wrote:

In post 257, Farkran wrote:

In post 252, emps wrote:that's the actual thing and I don't see how you misrep that so badly

Sorry? Skitter is still VLA, you know - she posted about being VLA, but didn't add anything to the discussion. Would you call that a "check in"?

Did you quote the wrong thing?

In post 264, Farkran wrote:

teacher wrote:

In post 246, teacher wrote:This post is odd though - you’re again doing the same thing with “sprouted a reaction from you only”. I reacted in 6 minutes. Are you suggesting someone else should have weighed in in that time? If not, why say it? (These are not rhetorical questions, I actually want answers)

Finally, you say “this” is one of the main reasons I’m on your suspect list. What is “this”? Defending Skitter in an RVS post?

@Fark - just noting the other two pending questions from before the pageshift.

No one should have weighed in, that's my point.

In post 263, EpicCreeper9002 wrote:Question: What are the rules on modifying quotes? Like, could I cut out the deadline part of the message I quoted since it's not really necessary? Could I take sub-quotes out so a post isn't so long? Could I lie by changing the lynches up?

In post 266, emps wrote:also, what teacher did to "defend" skitter is completely fair and i wouldve done it if i saw the "hiding behind vla" thing (i didnt until recently cuz i was on mobile earlier)

being vla isnt scummy, and

i think teachers reaction is actually townie.