Please keep this *very important* rule in mind going forward. I don't think any big lines were crossed yet (but y'all were getting close...) and I want to keep it that way !!
On second thought these posts crossed some boundaries. Please don't repeat shit like this.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:16 pm
by Skygazer
Last night,
nomnomnom
was killed. They were a
Town 1-shot Jailkeeper
.
Day Two begins!
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:29 pm
by skitter30
uh hi wtf was that yesterday
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:38 pm
by skitter30
there's no way that was an all-town wagon
i dont' like any of: vork, fallsoul, tchill
robb was being awful but in a way that i think is nai for him
i think tchill can prob read him better than i can but i'm not townreading tchill rn so i'm wary of trusting him
luca i actually kinda think is townie
i don' really have reads on the other people
this is one of the games where i have too many scumreads and don't have nearly enough townreads
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:49 pm
by PMysterious
Looking back, the wagon on Azure felt rushed. Let's see the people that were on the Azure wagon.
Looking back, Azuresky was clearly throwing the game at this point, with Vortuka's hammer being the nail. Vortuka did intend to hammer, so that fifth vote was needed.
Of the people on the wagon, here are the following motivations.
Robb- Initially voted Azuresky as a serious vote based on her comment on one of the four players that didn't RV was scum.
Luca Blight- Based on the massive pressure Azure was putting onto Luca based on the post counter and other stuff along the lines of that.
Fallsoul- Based on the arguments made against Azure being scum by the other players prior to him/her on the wagon.
Tchill- Voted Azure at first but then backed off when Azure was seen as a newbie, as stated by him. Once the "newbie status" was off, he went back on.
Vortuka- Again, based on the intent to hammer.
So, of these 5 in the wagon, I can say that one of them might be scum. So, let's go through the arguments made.
Fallsoul- Simply jumped on the wagon based on actions that were there.
Tchill- Only voted away when he thought Azure was a newbie. This would be considered advantageous for the Mafia since the lack of experience could be a factor in getting an easier win than usual.
Robb- Came off as really defensive based on the accusation, which doesn't sit well.
All in all, I think one of the scum is in these three, based on how they acted during the wagon. Vort, I assume just wanted to get out of the day, and Luca seemed lax about it for the most part outside of the vote.
If I missed anything, let me know.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:55 pm
by Robbnva
In post 265, PMysterious wrote:Robb- Came off as really defensive based on the accusation, which doesn't sit well.
Defending myself from a false accusation isn’t being defensive thank you very much.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:55 pm
by skitter30
i actually think that vork had one of the worst votes out of all of them. why are you waiving away his vote?
i don't really feel like the day should have ended there, and i didn't really get the vibe that he just wanted the day to end either and that's why he hopped on
(tbf i also read the whole day in one chunk overnight so it's possible i missed something)
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:55 pm
by skitter30
pedit @ pm ^
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:57 pm
by Robbnva
I’m kinda looking at who sat back during that wagon.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:02 pm
by Robbnva
I could have sworn havo had more posts. Surprised he’s a low poster. PM was basically absent the entire day phase. Flubber was quiet also. These 3 definitely need to post more.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 4:51 pm
by PMysterious
Yeah, I'm well aware that I wasn't really on much that phase, but on the day I planned to post, turns out, the thread was locked. The wagon was rushed, and that's my biggest concern.
In post 267, skitter30 wrote:i actually think that vork had one of the worst votes out of all of them. why are you waiving away his vote?
i don't really feel like the day should have ended there, and i didn't really get the vibe that he just wanted the day to end either and that's why he hopped on
(tbf i also read the whole day in one chunk overnight so it's possible i missed something)
This is a solid point, but at the end of the day, Azure was throwing, so either a lynch was going to happen and Azure could still win as Town or Scum or Azure would be replaced or mod-killed for throwing. In the event of a Mod-Kill, then we wouldn't even know what role she was because she would have been turned into a Survivor. I think the hammer was necessary given the circumstances, and Vortuka did give the intent to hammer on constant occasions. If he's scum, then yeah, that was an easy out, but in that circumstance, it was either have a Mod-Kill end the day, a lynch end the day, or have the impending replacement get hammered anyway. There was nothing that the replacement could use as a defense since there was nothing to defend against, and being at L-1 would only make things worse.
I just think Vortuka is Town based on the intent to hammer without going for the sudden hammer out of nowhere, a tactic that Scum would do in this circumstance.
Again, I was absent for most of the day, and I only found out about these events recently, so this is my interpretation.
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:35 pm
by Vorkuta
Not gonna lie- the self vote partially did it for me. 50% knee-jerk
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:49 pm
by Luca Blight
I think Fall's vote was the most 'opportunistic' on the wagon - I could see it coming from newbscum. I was aware that he could be an easy target for scum on D1, but it's interesting how the only player to target him was Nom, who is now confirmed to have been Town.
PM is confirmed Town because he looked at Meta....
Seriously though, PM's above posts don't really do anything for me. I don't get his line about my 'motivation' for being on the Azure wagon. I didn't just vote her because she put me under pressure - that had nothing to do with it whatsoever. I don't really like the analysis in general, particularly the points about Tchill and Rob at the end. And I'm not as likely to be scum because I was 'lax' about the wagon? Again, I don't get it.
I do agree that the Vort hammer felt kind of townie - after the self-vote I just assumed Azure was scum already, so I can understand quick-hammering there. Scum obviously would know she was flipping green and might have hesitated.
VOTE: Fallsoul
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:21 pm
by Luca Blight
I could definitely see Tchill being scum as well, but we just had a game together where I could never bring myself to trust him and he turned out to be town there, so I'm trying to remain level-headed in my read of him.
Flubs was ridiculously low-key. Need more from him.
Skitter '
feels
' Townie, but not enough content to get a concrete read yet.
I think Rob is more likely Town due to the forcefulness of his push, and it being a push that I could relate to.
Havo - He was a bit defensive against Nom's points against him, but I quite liked his push against Azure. It felt like he wasn't holding back.