In post 212, springlullaby wrote:By the way, the Quest mech is visibly a parralel to the neighbors mech.
Why do you think Quest is not a pro-town mechanic?
I've already explained this. It's not the neighborhood part of quests that I don't find pro-town. It's the risk of giving scum the gift and how the risk might not even be worth the gift.
My feelings are hurt. Vote for me and amazing rainbows will fall from the skies.
SPRING QUEST LEADER 2020
Just be glad I'm going along with the quest for today ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Overall I'm against it but happy to test it out for a day
Why are you against it?
Explained this above and a few pages back
In post 239, Farkset wrote:
This is also a towny post, tone and inquisitiveness look genuine.
To answer the question addressed at me, i think Pine's plea to make the game readable was genuine and outside of his scumrange. Pine is a renowned scum player on ms and i used to scumread (or push to mislynch, when i was scum) him for lurking, but every time he was town and i think that specifically asking for a chance to NOT lurk is a towny thing to do from his position. I don't have hard reads at this point in time but i have some elements to build a readlist on.
In comparison, your (raya) post is less towny than Pine's, because i can also foresee an attempt to pocket/being lamist with it. Note that i don't see you as particularly lamist here, i just admit the possibility that you were.
-Farkran
Couldn't Pine asking for a chance to not lurk be something he could do as scum too? Since he knows he often gets lynched for lurking? Town or scum he doesn't want to be lynched.
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:50 am
by Farkset
I have joined the quest for the record
@Raya, about Pine: yes, probably. But it's not just what he did, it's how he did it. I don't think scum!Pine would be so interested in being caught up as to explicitly ask for it in such a polite, yet peremptory manner. If anybody knows Pine for being able to pull this out as scum, correct me.
-Farkran
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:20 am
by Pine
I could definitely do that as scum - but in this case I didn’t.
Ame wrote:That's what I mean by a filter. It's not perfect, but it's something. If scum care about influencing the quest, they will have to do so first in the public thread, then in the private thread. It's just an idea though. I don't think it's that important if there's not obvious support for it. To be honest, my real agenda was giving critical PRs a way to avoid joining the quest without becoming a target for mafia. But increasing the number who join beyond the minimum kind of diminishes that.
I see your point. I like this idea best, thus far. Say no more.
Dumb.
Scum gaining a PR via quest becomes problematic only when any town PR is outed.
How to maneuver Quest needs to change only then: the best outcome being all vanilla on the quest then.
In meantime, best quest play is to simply distribute chance of sabotage equally to that already existing.
That's a great characteristic of.... OMGUS I THINK.
CAPTURE: HECTIC
-> Setup speculation that is wordy and wrong, then vote for bad ability.
-> Fluff and attempted buddying.
-> Afraid of "starting anything".
Yeah, I did my job for the day I think.
I don't consider aggressiveness AI, being one of the most aggressive people on ms, but i can stop myself before crossing the toxic line. That said, toxicity itself is not AI either, but this push is terrible and poorly timed.
HURT: springlullaby
-Farkran
So, is telling people that asking about wildcat, whatever that is, is stupid that is toxic?
Or is it pointing out that ad hom reaction to having anything one is saying being called out as stupid that is toxic?
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:33 am
by springlullaby
In post 242, Farkset wrote:TOWN
Hectic - i liked the attempt to mechprogress, also i think i can be accurate on reading hectic very fast after having played with him so much recently
Pine - genuine introduction
---TOWN CONFIDENCE LINE---
Raya36
Not Known 15
Lady Chloe
Ame
---TRUE NULL LINE---
mastina
momo
Pink Ball
Ginngie
---SCUM CONFIDENCE LINE---
Flight of the Conchords - I don't like TSTBS posts from either alignment, and being a secret hydra i'd assume it comes from experienced players, not newbies. This is the main reason i'm scumleaning them instead of giving them the benefit of doubt.
springlullaby - To further my thoughts on springlullaby, i think he's pulling a strategy similar to scum!FlavorLeaf, where he intentionally blurts out nonsense to make his post skimmed past instead of read thoroughly while at the same time candidating himself to positions of power.
SCUM
Read key:
- no strong reads yet, the players without comments are even weaker than those with comments
- players in-between the confidence lines are sorted by the little content they have. They are placed above the null line if i think there are some posts worthy of being town, below the line if they have a bad content/posts ratio so far.
-Farkran
Gimme one link to a post in which said Flavor Leaf exhibit such behavior.
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:36 am
by Farkset
@post 254
Yes, but i don't particularly care, people can defend by themselves in this circumstance
i'm more interested in your actual scumcase of hectic
-Farkran
pedit @post 255
Large Theme in TM 2020, Mini normal 2124. Any post from FL
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:38 am
by Raya36
Figured I'd do a quick reads list although most are null range this early on (All is ordered)
Town
Hectic
Farkset
Pink Ball
Null
Momo
mastina
Pine
Ginngie
Not Known 15
Ame
Ladu Chloe
springlullaby
Yes, but i don't particularly care, people can defend by themselves in this circumstance
i'm more interested in your actual scumcase of hectic
-Farkran
pedit @post 255
Large Theme in TM 2020, Mini normal 2124. Any post from FL
So, you would you consider Hectic being wrong about mechanics.
Then asking stupid fluff questions as non indicative of alignment?
Or even indicative of town alignment?
Where did I blurt out nonsense?
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:56 am
by Farkset
Spoiler: springlullaby
In post 112, springlullaby wrote:Ame, are you soft-claiming something?
Just say it now because you aren't going anywhere past N1 with that bullshit.
In post 124, Ame wrote:I think only the minimum number of players necessary should do the quest and we should vote on which players to do the quest during the day. This will, ideally, reduce mafia's influence inside the quest and potentially limit their access to the content discussed.
Do you know how many scum we have?
Why are you so bad at logic?
In post 153, Hectic wrote:I already confirmed I'm a questing adventurer earlier, springlullaby. I'm fine with this plan. Leader should be the consensus/best townread we got.
In post 191, momo wrote:HURT: Springlullaby
Scummiest attempt to get townread I have seen in a while. I shouldn’t need to explain this vote and won’t because I’m about to sleep, but I’ll write up my thoughts tmmrw after I meta dive spring.
Should be noted that Hectic is taking a very distinct approach to this game...playing in a highly questioning manner. Haven’t played with him before, but I think his slot will prove to be readable by comparing the questioning tone with his recent games.
What that bit about Hectic exactly? Lot of words for nothing.
And unfortunately for you, you do have to explain your vote.
Are you pissed I found you and your buddy on my first two votes?
In post 174, Hectic wrote:Only if you share it with me, Pink Ball. We should ration leadership out.
That said, would trust Hectic with leader even more than PB. PB, love ya to death, but you're not as obvtown as Hectic is and I got the sense that Hectic is more mechanically-minded than you so like. Hectic > PB > spring imo for leadership.
Hmm, wait.
All joke aside, Hectic was wrong about the mechanics all along you know?
Are you even paying attention?
Ame wrote:That's what I mean by a filter. It's not perfect, but it's something. If scum care about influencing the quest, they will have to do so first in the public thread, then in the private thread. It's just an idea though. I don't think it's that important if there's not obvious support for it. To be honest, my real agenda was giving critical PRs a way to avoid joining the quest without becoming a target for mafia. But increasing the number who join beyond the minimum kind of diminishes that.
I see your point. I like this idea best, thus far. Say no more.
Dumb.
Scum gaining a PR via quest becomes problematic only when any town PR is outed.
How to maneuver Quest needs to change only then: the best outcome being all vanilla on the quest then.
In meantime, best quest play is to simply distribute chance of sabotage equally to that already existing.
None of these posts make sense or are useful to sort people. Some are wrong in premise (129), some are wrong in their conclusion regardless of eventual posthumous correctness (168), some are clearly jokes (155) but ultimately all you are doing is adding noise, same as scum!FL usually does, except you are also more toxic and unpleasant about it.
I don't think being wrong at reading the setup is inherently AI by the way - if anything, not for hectic who was the first to pull that out. Do you have a relevant opinion on mastina and chloe?
-Farkran
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:05 am
by springlullaby
So, pointing out that people are asking stupid fluff question is toxic?
Right, if you feel so, please do report me but do refrain from using that as a line to orient your vote which is, again, ad hominem and irrelevant to the game.
Why mastina and chloe?
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:09 am
by Farkset
As i said i don't consider toxicity AI. I consider your bad push on Hectic AI and i'm still trying to assess if you are the type of player that would do that as scum or if you are one to push weak things to make the gamestate move forward even when they do not make sense logically.
Mastina and Chloe are the other two slots that made significant mistakes in their interpretation of the setup. It rings weird that you do not have an opinion on them, but you have a strong one on hectic.
-Farkran
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:14 am
by springlullaby
^So, now the goalpost is I'm not being equally suspicious of people who have made setup speculation error?
Why do your reason to suspect me changes every post you make?
No, they don't, but why in this case do you think Farkran/Mastina are not scum defending scum!me?
I think it's unlikely that scum would buddy their buddy that hard.
Does that make sense?
Are you saying that when you flip scum, mastina and Fakran should be looked at as your buddies?
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:30 am
by Hectic
If I flipped scum, then yeah, I would look at everyone defending me to see if their reasoning was genuine or not. Scum can buddy each other that hard for sure, and it's not particularly difficult here since a few others have put me as town too, so it's not like it's going against the consensus.
What make their defence of me genuine?
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:32 am
by Not Known 15
HURT: springlullaby
Enough of this BS.
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:37 am
by springlullaby
In post 271, Hectic wrote:(1)If I flipped scum, then yeah, I would look at everyone defending me to see if their reasoning was genuine or not. Scum can buddy each other that hard for sure, and it's not particularly difficult here since a few others have put me as town too, so it's not like it's going against the consensus.
(2)What make their defence of me genuine?
(1) Who else do you perceive as defending you?
(2) What do you mean genuine?