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In post 194, Snowblaze wrote:

In post 167, Andresvmb wrote:I am getting negative vibes out of Snowblaze. They were attacking VP Baltar's logic on #105 and I simply do not agree at all. Nothing wrong with disagreeing of course, but it seemed like a lot of shade in an attempt at defend Iconeum, and against a player that just seems Town to me.

That’s... not what I was doing? I was just pointing out something that didn’t make sense?

In post 197, Snowblaze wrote:@Andre, can you explain your thoughts on Testarossa in more detail? 168 just feels like you’re saying “I would call her town except I disagree with her reads so I can’t”.

In post 249, Andresvmb wrote:Ah no wait, 210 seems to actually explain the reasoning behind the SR on me - my “huge fencesit opening”. I thought the meta here involved being somewhat detailed about your views. Can someone explain this one to me? Because from where I sit, this looks like a completely made up reason justifying an action taken after a vote on them.

In post 248, Andresvmb wrote:189 is funny. Iconeum and I have never played before. They have no idea how I play Town or Scum, how I phrase my arguments as either alignment, or what my skills/weaknesses are. Yet they seem to believe that they can point to one post of mine agreeing with another player and come to the definitive conclusion that I’m Scum. Notice that it also comes as a hedge regarding their vote on VPB, followed by a switch onto me in 193. Yet after all of that, they feel like they need to speak directly to me, asking me to re-read VPB’s ISO. Why? If I’m surely Scum, then what is there to convince me about?

Now, again, I’m not trying to say I know for a fact that Iconeum is Scum. That would be absurd. And it’s just not a skill I have. However, the reaction is obviously way over the top, and I don’t see the Town motivation. Not everyone that believes you are Scum can be Scum. But instead of probing or trying to figure out where we are coming from, the primary response was aggressiveness followed by two votes.

208 - I am wholly unmoved by this, and it’s just a blatant appeal to emotion. I mean this is an obviously Scummy post.

In post 172, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I am leaning towards voting Inoc. My initial gut is that she was trying to get a read on me but the argument has been made that the townslip argument was off which is something that I agree with somewhat. None of the other players that have posted recently strike me as scummy. I would like to hear more from Inoc and GB though.

In post 176, VP Baltar wrote:Rereading everything so far now that I'm not on my phone.

In post 38, Iconeum wrote:Misses the townslip from GB,

How is this alignment indicative for NPOM or anyone?

In post 88, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Sorry, but I don't believe in RVS. At least as much as I can try to avoid it.

Why?

In post 122, NoPowerOverMe wrote:D) I'm considering switching my vote from GB but he's not making it easy by not posting.

In post 172, NoPowerOverMe wrote:I am leaning towards voting Inoc.

This actually does bug me. Like why are you saying "look out guys, might switch my vote here!"

Why not just vote?

Explain the wind up to me.

In post 133, Datisi wrote:re: baltar, i have not played with his alt, i just remembered seeing him say somewhere he's got that account, and the join date being a few years back. i don't actually know anything about his play, i just assumed earlier join date = more experience.

I looked it up (admittedly quickly because I only have so much time today). I'm going to say, it's safe to think NPOM's posting style doesn't feel strongly indicative of alignment. He definitely seems like he puts off weird vibes as either alignment and could be an easy yeet D1. I still stand by my read that scum!Icon could see that as an easy target, but that read feels softer now. (Also, see above weird vote telegraphing from NPOM.)

In post 136, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Honestly the dude seemed testy, which could be scum or could be a way town reacts to jokey rvs. The fact that he doubled down on it almost feels too scummy to be scum. But i thought that overt hostility was too scummy to be scum before and that player ended up being scum. So this is something that im going to treat as a play style thing that may be less so later.

*farting noises*




Alduskkel -- if we were going to do some dualing wagon action, who would you want run up with NPOM?

In post 186, Testarossa wrote:VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

Not really away from NPOM, but I feel it's locking too much into NPOM/Icon and I don't really like Billy's posts or what he isn't doing atm.

In post 210, Iconeum wrote:VPB/Andres/NPOW

1 scum

VPB with the very strange scumread on me, which is in straight contradiction with reasons provided by him
Andres, with the huge fencesit opening
NPOW for reasons stated earlier and general interaction with me

In post 253, Datisi wrote:andres, is there a difference in your mind between ico's 210 (the part about you) and my 162? if so, can you talk about it?

In post 219, Datisi wrote:it's like... the more nopoweroverme posts, the more i disagree with him, but also the more i think his posts come from a genuine place of wanting to solve the game?

In post 227, NoPowerOverMe wrote:

In post 225, Datisi wrote:

In post 222, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Datsi

can you talk about this read a bit more?

You seem willing to communicate and are trying to figure people out, rather than acting like you already know.

In post 258, Andresvmb wrote:Also, your skepticism about me being non-committal is fair.

[snip]

If I was saying that VPB was definitive Town or Scum, then you should be more worried about my alignment.

In post 231, NoPowerOverMe wrote:1) I'm assuming he's guessing that you are smart enough to sense mislynch bait and you think I am it, and that eliminating me would lead to a similar result as the last time I was day 1 eliminated for little or no reason. He's not wrong, as you are holding on to your assumptions way to strenuously.

2) I think you're being a literalist here again. Obviously different players play town and scum differently. You should ask him about his scum reads, not me.

3) I think a lot of people think that you started defending GB too quickly. All I did was ask a few ice breaker questions and you decided I was trying to eliminate him.

In general, you are holding on to your opinions to tightly even in the face of opposition, and even when there is good/logical reasoning against them. Just because you say something loudly doesn't make it true. And either you are scum who is trying to hard to get town lynched or you are just communicating badly.

In post 261, Datisi wrote:

In post 253, Datisi wrote:andres, is there a difference in your mind between ico's 210 (the part about you) and my 162? if so, can you talk about it?

i actually didn't notice ico attacking you as "definite scum", could you point that out? and like, you're saying as if "lashing out at votes = scum" and "not lashing out = town", which is not always the case

In post 265, Datisi wrote:

In post 258, Andresvmb wrote:Also, your skepticism about me being non-committal is fair.

[snip]

If I was saying that VPB was definitive Town or Scum, then you should be more worried about my alignment.

if skepticism about you being non-committal is fair, is skepticism about you being fence-sitty also fair?

also very disagree with the second point, but dunno how AI that is

In post 240, VP Baltar wrote:

In post 236, Iconeum wrote:

In post 231, NoPowerOverMe wrote:1) I'm assuming he's guessing that you are smart enough to sense mislynch bait and you think I am it, and that eliminating me would lead to a similar result as the last time I was day 1 eliminated for little or no reason. He's not wrong, as you are holding on to your assumptions way to strenuously.

Look at this from HIS pov. He literally said that in that particular game, you got mislynched easily. And that scum had to do nothing for it. Everyone pushing you in that game was TOWN.
How does that make him scumread me for doing that, in this game? Where is the logic from his pov?

I actually explained this already. I think it was snowblaze who asked me?

I was actually thinking I might have been wrong in my initial scum read of you, but your completely over the top reaction and OMGUS to a single vote is very interesting.

Let's get some more votes on Icon pls. Hellbrooks, testarossa, we got a live one over here.

In post 267, Andresvmb wrote:But do you not agree that the agitation and obvious anger from Iconeum (Caps seem like an effective way of communicating anger) are not a bit over the top over two votes?

In post 126, Andresvmb wrote:So I’m going to place VP Baltar as a Town Lean, though I’ll admit that he certainly sounds like he’s been around, so could be fooling me

In post 268, Andresvmb wrote:Please point out to me how I’m playing like I’m sitting on the sidelines waiting for people to chew each other out.

In post 271, Datisi wrote:

In post 126, Andresvmb wrote:So I’m going to place VP Baltar as a Town Lean, though I’ll admit that he certainly sounds like he’s been around, so could be fooling me

this is what i see as fence-sitty. "could be town but uhh he could be fooling me." are we using the terms differently?

In post 269, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Ok now im interested, you admit that you may have been wrong in your initial scumread. Icon points that out says your bad logic (which you've already admitted) makes you scummy and now you characterize his reaction to a bad push as "completely over the top" and "OMGUS." Please explain this logic.