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Because someone has to?

why would town what that someone to be themselves?? even though there's one scum, you double your chance of winning by having someone not-you in the final town

-hornet

at least untrust while i can explain it better please

We can bicker all day about why they did it, but I think that’s not the biggest reason to townread Casey rn, even though she has acted with 0 interest in withdrawing her play, I think the biggest point for her being Town is her working through that thing re: hell books and luncheon

a person can make themselves look townie all they want, but there's going to be tells that show their real intent and that's what you have to hold onto

do you agree that it's against your wincon to have yourself in the bottom 2?

Yes, as both alignments

Trying to argue it is indicative of either is not useful. What matters is follow-through, which Casey has shown

But scum has a reason to pretend to want to be in the bottom 2 (to be town read and trusted), town does not!!!

Scum also want to find a way out of the deal in the end. Casey has made no move in that direction.

But she has. She showed her intent by her reaction to my 110. She was upset that I actually went along with her volunteer and pushed my direction accordingly.

and you don't want to be obvious about it. you let other people do it for you. while you hold face.

this is me as scum in a similar situation:

Ame wrote:

Optimal Gameplay

So long as no scum exist in heaven, we should

not

send consensus town reads to heaven. There are three reasons for this. First, it's better to have strong towny voices here in purgatory because the proportion of town to scum is so small. We should aim to establish a strong town core and keep them around as long as possible. Second, if a judgment day occurs, having obvtownies in purgatory will increase the chance that heaven-dwellers will make the correct call. Third, we should use the heaven phase to provide

informative

flips. So as long as there is no scum in heaven, we should use it to flip the harder to read slots that aren't necessarily being scum read.

So my thinking is this, near the end of each phase, we tally the top town reads and top scum reads. During hell phases, we flip between scum reads; during the heaven phases, we flip middle reads; and we keep obvtownies in purgatory on reserve. Again, this is so long as there is

no scum

in heaven. If we do get a heaven scum flip, then we start sending our obvtownie reserves.

Subject: Open 774 || Purgatory — Game Over

Ame wrote:Yes, I'm fine with going. I just want to make sure these things are accounted for:
-Elmo provides reasoning for her reads.
-Tai and Summer explain their S_S read in detail.
-Summer provides details on the contradictory meta evidence against Looker.
-Q fleshes out his thought process behind his wooper read at the EoD.

Please don't let any of these things go unanswered

basically you disarm yourself to make others let their guard down and trust you to the point where you don't to push for yourself to be trusted, you let them do it for you

also is there any harm in untrusting why we go through this?

Show how she’s done it in the period where it’s actually been going down?

But sure

ok give me just a bit

I am unspiced.

Oh never mind.

In post 251, iNtuition wrote:why would town what that someone to be themselves?? even though there's one scum, you double your chance of winning by having someone not-you in the final town

-hornet

I literally answered this already and you ignored it.

In post 53, Casey wrote:So one person can stay behind to play matchmaker to ensure the game doesn't go off the rails.

I'm willing to stay behind and be the momma hen.

so casey, unprompted, volunteers to stay behind here

In post 90, Casey wrote:Maximize town voices.

When 2 people are prepared to trust-fall, only 1 person does the trust. The other person posts saying "this is me clearing myself by posting.

This way we clear people without having been put in a situation that guarantees we lose town voices.

This doesn't clear the truster, only the trustee.

We lose if the trustee is mafia, so, no reason for us to lose town voices.

this is something i just picked up on, but this plan actually dismantles her volunteer bc instead of people trusting each other to a point where she could be left behind, now she's entered into the possibility of being trusted for the sake of clearing. so a page after her initial volunteer she's already established a way to get trust voted.

In post 110, iNtuition wrote:hellbooks is the summer. she chooses a person to trust and we do a chain as gamma suggested. since person b is clear they choose who is next in the chain (in unison with the prior clears), but i think we should vote on who the original person b should be (hehe)

-hornet

i call her bluff here

and she reacts antagonistically here:

In post 122, Casey wrote:I'm momma. Intuition-Hornet thinks I'm deep-wolfing myself into an autolose situation. I'm not a big fan of that logic and it's almost feeling as if Intuition is trying to wriggle their way into anywhere but bottom 2.

Remember that we can have 1 person "stay behind" in the endgame. I volunteered myself. Now with Intuition-Hornet trying to push myself AND hellbooks into the shadow realm, that doesn't sit easy with me at all.

In post 123, Casey wrote:Yeah I like Intuition the least now.

if she was ok with staying behind in the first place, why react this way? this is what i mean by glimpsing her real intent

In post 124, Casey wrote:My desire to snap-trust hellbooks is at an all-time high thanks to Intuition.

side bar, this read doesn't make any sense? wth?

OK next Casey starts doing shotgun trusts

In post 164, Casey wrote:6 days left. May as well kick this off.

I trust Gamma

Just post that you're clearing yourself and don't trust back.

In post 167, Casey wrote:Due to the generous feedback in this game, I'm gonna go ahead and...

I trust Confusing Name Fusion

Nobody has to contribute. I'll just keep doing this until we lose or win.

But reacts aggressively to mine:

In post 176, iNtuition wrote:huh

Trust Implosion

In post 179, Casey wrote:Are you deliberately disobeying to earn town credit or are you merely daft?

the reason i made this initial vote here was because a) i thought implo was town for his zzz b) it was during his inactive time c) i wanted to see how casey would react. again i was aiming to see if she was bluffing with her playstyle, this time regarding "im just going to keep doing this [trusting]". my thinking was that if she really thought i was scum, then she wouldn't have any concern with this, but if she was scum, then id potentially be eliminating one of the people she could have in the bottom (note that her trust votes were based on people who would not likely end up in the bottom, not based on her actual reads:

In post 162, Casey wrote:May as well do an updated one too.

CNF, Hellbooks > luncheon, redtea > implosion > gamma > intuition

if she was going by her reads she would have went CNF, hell. but she went gamma because he was the most widely tr despite him being her second most likely scum

and now we get to her recent reversal in read on hellb. this is what i felt like her play was leading up to since her reaction in 122, that she was setting up me and hell to be the two behind

In post 210, Casey wrote:Hellbooks, Intuition, Luncheon.

Hm, hm, hm.

In post 211, Casey wrote:On a reread, Hellbooks hasn't contributed much. The strongest town indicator for her is her gayness which admittedly is a strong pull.

In post 217, Casey wrote:And I re-read Intuition. I'm mad because Intuition reads townier than Hellbooks.

In post 240, Casey wrote:Ultimately my mind goes towards who I wouldn't mind losing to.

Luncheon: Wouldn't mind. His posts have been good. Still giving me a nagging Isis feeling.

Hellbooks:

Would mind.

I would never implicitly trust gayness again.

Intuition:

Would mind.

That would just be disgusting.

the evidence for this is, again, the fact that she trust voted based on who was likely not to be in the bottom 3 rather than her actual reads, she skipped hell, who i believe she felt she could maintain in the bottom 2 (along with me) based on people's reads

In post 263, Casey wrote:I am unspiced.

In post 264, Casey wrote:Oh never mind.

fake

In post 265, Casey wrote:

In post 251, iNtuition wrote:why would town what that someone to be themselves?? even though there's one scum, you double your chance of winning by having someone not-you in the final town

-hornet

I literally answered this already and you ignored it.

hubris is not a satisfactory answer

In post 263, Casey wrote:I am unspiced.

In post 264, Casey wrote:Oh never mind.

@gamma look at the timestamps of these two posts

In post 258, iNtuition wrote:But she has. She showed her intent by her reaction to my 110. She was upset that I actually went along with her volunteer and pushed my direction accordingly.

So I never reacted to your 110. I reacted to your 111 and also was upset at you scumreading Hellbooks.

The reason you linked to 110 and not my reaction to 110 is because there is no reaction to 110.

In post 266, iNtuition wrote:if she was ok with staying behind in the first place, why react this way? this is what i mean by glimpsing her real intent

Because I was upset at you scumreading Hellbooks.

In post 269, Casey wrote:

In post 258, iNtuition wrote:But she has. She showed her intent by her reaction to my 110. She was upset that I actually went along with her volunteer and pushed my direction accordingly.

So I never reacted to your 110. I reacted to your 111 and also was upset at you scumreading Hellbooks.

The reason you linked to 110 and not my reaction to 110 is because there is no reaction to 110.

111 is what i meant i thought i made that in 110

In post 270, Casey wrote:

In post 266, iNtuition wrote:if she was ok with staying behind in the first place, why react this way? this is what i mean by glimpsing her real intent

Because I was upset at you scumreading Hellbooks.

Why???

In post 267, iNtuition wrote:

In post 263, Casey wrote:I am unspiced.

In post 264, Casey wrote:Oh never mind.

fake

In post 265, Casey wrote:

In post 251, iNtuition wrote:why would town what that someone to be themselves?? even though there's one scum, you double your chance of winning by having someone not-you in the final town

-hornet

I literally answered this already and you ignored it.

hubris is not a satisfactory answer

I don't have to meet your arbitrary requirements for a satisfaction. I can snap trust Hell and Luncheon now and no matter your alignment, you'll lose.

In post 272, iNtuition wrote:

In post 270, Casey wrote:

In post 266, iNtuition wrote:if she was ok with staying behind in the first place, why react this way? this is what i mean by glimpsing her real intent

Because I was upset at you scumreading Hellbooks.

Why???

Because she's a strong townread.