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WaltertheDunce10 wrote:I recognize tour cote has valid criticism of my gameplay so far.
Nm nosferatu
Any fucking reads?

thats a lil personal dont u think?

In post 243, Gamma Emerald wrote:I’m very surprised SJR didn’t immediately SR my reaction to his Italiano push

That this surprises you suggests you've formed a strong opinion of me based on a handful of posts. Do you often do that?

Yeah, a bit,
but do you have anything to add?
That was rude of me.

In post 210, Nosferatu wrote:

In post 182, Frogsterking wrote:I feel like Nosferatu if he flipped town would just post some filler there instead of explaining that he couldn't post filler because he's drunk.

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

what are you even saying bro
which one of us was drinking last night lmao

In post 176, Nosferatu wrote:prodge to post when i'm sober

In post 179, Nosferatu wrote:im posting for the mod not you doofus

In post 245, Nosferatu wrote:

In post 204, geraintm wrote:

In post 195, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 96, geraintm wrote:

In post 46, RCEnigma wrote:By the end of page 3 I will have caught 1 scum.

Proceed.

Nope. By the end of day 1 no one will have caught scum. Never happened before, it isnt going to change here

Wdym by “no one will have caught scum”

I find day 1s fairly useless, way too much noise and people being too clever. no one has got any info to go on and day one is just random....excepting scum never get lynched.

thats cause you suck at the game

Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Walter

RQS should be permabannable

finally some quality content

In post 238, Nosferatu wrote:VOTE: walter

In post 234, ItalianoVD wrote:@Frogsterking: I’m wondering why you’re so hostile towards Nosferatu? What say ye?

For now: VOTE: Frogsterking

In post 226, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:

In post 206, Raya36 wrote:

In post 172, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:oh,
Because I thought the memes and bruhs were not as helpful overall.
But asking qs is more helpful than nothing.
pedit
slight on sou
Very slight on sj but could just be her posting style.
Just a lot of nulls right now due to people like nm or people who have not been on.

You're right that asking questions is more helpful than nothing but what was done could so easily have been done as scum too. 142 and 147 are NAI.

Can you explain the slight scumreads?

For Sj it it the bait posts and posts like 91 that don;t solve but say look scummy.
is that an actual claim sj in 216?
Alright for sou, it is the progression from 79 where he will go back and reread and then 117 where he agrees with a post but does not offer any solving or anything at all.

I have to say that I read frog as scum now.
I find 150 to be really weird case to make this late, now maybe that was when he online next. but it seems kinda wifomy.
But then his most recent posts put nomafia as town antitown???
I read that slot as null.
But the case on nosferatu seems forced and an overread into a slot that has not been on.
VOTE: Frogster

In post 218, BananaCucho wrote:

In post 180, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: Nosferatu

I'm not buying the sobriety excuse because I'm town and posting anyway right now. Nosferatu's post seems a little lurky and overconcerned. Like he thinks he can get away with it for an ML or two.

COJ seems overly concerned with Not_Mafia. I feel like he would be able to think more critically if he stopped mentioning Not_Mafia.

COJ and Not_Mafia nominated themselves for town leader and town "anti-town" and seem well suited for their roles respectively.

WaltertheDunce10 seems like he likes Twitter or LinkedIn or both.

In post 181, Frogsterking wrote:Nosferatu seems like he's trying to lurk and be overreactive and get town read for it by being hipster. Like Nosferatu is saying to himself "I have two or three other scum buddies, it's D1, nothing really to do, let me just throw this out there."

In post 182, Frogsterking wrote:I feel like Nosferatu if he flipped town would just post some filler there instead of explaining that he couldn't post filler because he's drunk.

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

Tbh this vote feels like a pretty bad excuse for a vote. And the reaction feels forced.

VOTE: Frogsterking

Frog is probably town. That's a wild wild take.

Yeah I agree.
Seems towny for how he came back.
VOTE: Nosferatu

In post 256, RCEnigma wrote:Frog is probably town. That's a wild wild take.

I continue to get townleans from this slot.

In post 248, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:

In post 240, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 220, BananaCucho wrote:

In post 191, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 48, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:5.
No.
Here I developed some even better questions!
1. Is it okay to put rotting produce into an uncooked stead as a filler?
What is the cinderblock you would like most as a pet?
Are pineapples good on pizzas?

VOTE: Walther
Now you’re just wasting time and space with this

Why would you call this out but not call me out for doing the exact same thing?

I disagree with any notion of "wasting time" when we have 2 week long days lol

His explicitly comes off as wasting time
You just seem like a less serious person in general

But to elaborate, the prolonging of the RQS came off as scum who didn’t have a good transition into the full game yet. One was alright and the first was some good questions, the second had less compelling questions but felt orderly enough to not bother me. The third was super random and out of place imo.

I agree, but it was meant as sarcasm to banana’s qs.
How did i prolong rvs until coj declared it ended with his post?
Pedit you expected a response? People are entitled to believe who they think are scum.
You laid out some points nm and nos just blarbed out votes.

I can understand the sarcasm point. As for CFJ ending RVS/RQS, I think the idea that one person’s action can end RVS is a bit basic. RVS is more of a state of mind. I’ve had a few games in the past where despite it being like Day 3, my mind was in RVS mode because I lacked any real solid bearing for actual comprehensive reads. RVS being over for one person doesn’t end it for everyone, however there is a line (a vague one though) where almost everyone has moved on, and to remain in that state yourself after crossing that line is suspicious because it comes off as not being able to properly transition into the game, whether by not being able to fabricate reads effectively, or concern about taking hard stances, or maybe other reasons.
FYI the last half of that chunk of text was pretty much just talking over the logic, I actually think your response to the votes on you is pretty good so I will UNVOTE:

Yeah I think I do that pretty often. You’ve shown yourself as excitable and really into your own hype. As such I would expect any contrary opinions to yours to garner a quick attack from you. I could be wrong but based on your join date, that’s the impression I get.

In post 246, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:

In post 238, Nosferatu wrote:VOTE: walter

In post 244, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Walter

RQS should be permabannable

Maybe so, but you are both sheep

Silence fool

In post 255, Frogsterking wrote:

In post 210, Nosferatu wrote:

In post 182, Frogsterking wrote:I feel like Nosferatu if he flipped town would just post some filler there instead of explaining that he couldn't post filler because he's drunk.

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

what are you even saying bro
which one of us was drinking last night lmao

In post 176, Nosferatu wrote:prodge to post when i'm sober

In post 179, Nosferatu wrote:im posting for the mod not you doofus

In post 245, Nosferatu wrote:

In post 204, geraintm wrote:

In post 195, Gamma Emerald wrote:

In post 96, geraintm wrote:

In post 46, RCEnigma wrote:By the end of page 3 I will have caught 1 scum.

Proceed.

Nope. By the end of day 1 no one will have caught scum. Never happened before, it isnt going to change here

Wdym by “no one will have caught scum”

I find day 1s fairly useless, way too much noise and people being too clever. no one has got any info to go on and day one is just random....excepting scum never get lynched.

thats cause you suck at the game

Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Walter

RQS should be permabannable

finally some quality content

In post 238, Nosferatu wrote:VOTE: walter

Very strong

FoS on Nosferatu for the active lurking and silent BW in the posts above + immediate attempt to create a counter BW from the players below:

In post 234, ItalianoVD wrote:@Frogsterking: I’m wondering why you’re so hostile towards Nosferatu? What say ye?

For now: VOTE: Frogsterking

In post 226, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:

In post 206, Raya36 wrote:

In post 172, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:oh,
Because I thought the memes and bruhs were not as helpful overall.
But asking qs is more helpful than nothing.
pedit
slight on sou
Very slight on sj but could just be her posting style.
Just a lot of nulls right now due to people like nm or people who have not been on.

You're right that asking questions is more helpful than nothing but what was done could so easily have been done as scum too. 142 and 147 are NAI.

Can you explain the slight scumreads?

For Sj it it the bait posts and posts like 91 that don;t solve but say look scummy.
is that an actual claim sj in 216?
Alright for sou, it is the progression from 79 where he will go back and reread and then 117 where he agrees with a post but does not offer any solving or anything at all.

I have to say that I read frog as scum now.
I find 150 to be really weird case to make this late, now maybe that was when he online next. but it seems kinda wifomy.
But then his most recent posts put nomafia as town antitown???
I read that slot as null.
But the case on nosferatu seems forced and an overread into a slot that has not been on.
VOTE: Frogster

In post 218, BananaCucho wrote:

In post 180, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: Nosferatu

I'm not buying the sobriety excuse because I'm town and posting anyway right now. Nosferatu's post seems a little lurky and overconcerned. Like he thinks he can get away with it for an ML or two.

COJ seems overly concerned with Not_Mafia. I feel like he would be able to think more critically if he stopped mentioning Not_Mafia.

COJ and Not_Mafia nominated themselves for town leader and town "anti-town" and seem well suited for their roles respectively.

WaltertheDunce10 seems like he likes Twitter or LinkedIn or both.

In post 181, Frogsterking wrote:Nosferatu seems like he's trying to lurk and be overreactive and get town read for it by being hipster. Like Nosferatu is saying to himself "I have two or three other scum buddies, it's D1, nothing really to do, let me just throw this out there."

In post 182, Frogsterking wrote:I feel like Nosferatu if he flipped town would just post some filler there instead of explaining that he couldn't post filler because he's drunk.

Like you really think a guy who took the time to upload an animated avatar of some movie star consuming a cigar or joint or whatever the fuck that is would feel too self-aware to post some filler because he's been drinking?

Tbh this vote feels like a pretty bad excuse for a vote. And the reaction feels forced.

VOTE: Frogsterking

Wouldn't call active lurking + silent BW + immediate counter BW from three other players a null slot or bad excuse for a vote.

What, on god's green earth, is this post?

In post 259, Gamma Emerald wrote:

@SJR

Yeah I think I do that pretty often. You’ve shown yourself as excitable and really into your own hype. As such I would expect any contrary opinions to yours to garner a quick attack from you. I could be wrong but based on your join date, that’s the impression I get.

The inside of my head can get a touch frantic at times, yes.



But most players are townie so most people who disagree with me are townie.

Not_Mafia is not a sheep but a cow. I find sheeping accusations underwhelming. If every townie does their own thing, we don't tend to get very far.

VOTE: geraintm

You spend more time talking about how you dislike day one than you do scumhunting. You may have a pulse but it's a weak one.

In post 255, Frogsterking wrote:Wouldn't call active lurking + silent BW + immediate counter BW from three other players a null slot or bad excuse for a vote.

u unironically sat down at ur computer and said that u didnt believe that i would post sober bc the person in my avatar was smoking LMAO

wait until sober to post*

I’m trying to understand the Walter wagon and I don’t.

he posted too many questions its not that deep

In post 262, SJReaver wrote:

In post 259, Gamma Emerald wrote:

@SJR

Yeah I think I do that pretty often. You’ve shown yourself as excitable and really into your own hype. As such I would expect any contrary opinions to yours to garner a quick attack from you. I could be wrong but based on your join date, that’s the impression I get.

The inside of my head can get a touch frantic at times, yes.



But most players are townie so most people who disagree with me are townie.

Cool, I’ll try to not be too harsh towards you then

In post 260, Not_Mafia wrote:

In post 246, WaltertheDunce10 wrote:

In post 238, Nosferatu wrote:VOTE: walter

In post 244, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Walter

RQS should be permabannable

Maybe so, but you are both sheep

Silence fool

You have silenced me .
haha

In post 216, SJReaver wrote:

In post 119, callforjudgement wrote: VOTE: BananaCucho
This is a stronger read than the read I had on RCEnigma. #107 and #109 (I haven't checked #108 because I have images turned off) are the sort of content that's a) easy to post as either alignment, and b) doesn't help solve the game at all as town. This wouldn't be particularly scummy if it were posted together with more townish posts, but in isolation, it's pretty suspicious.

@SJReaver (#110): Why are you talking about day 1 in the past tense? Are you talking about a different game?

(Also, I have a mild scum read on SJReaver from #115; people are way more likely to joke about being scum when they actually are scum.)

Side note: I have limited access on Mondays and Thursdays, so I probably won't be able to post here for a few hours.

Citation needed.

The complete lack of comment on my Italiano case is interesting here. You’ve combed through at least a few posts from my previous games to see if I do ‘newbie greetings’ but when I point out how Italian’s posts are already quite different from his norm, you ignore that information and have a strong enough scumlean on Banana to vote for him.

I don't normally use meta to form reads on people, but rather to avoid making reads that are valid in general but invalid for one particular player.

Also, you have an Italiano case? Is it #90/#91/#92? I guess that makes sense for the point in the game at which it was made, although Italiano's posting has improved somewhat since, and I don't see #89 as suspicious (it makes sense to tell people if you're going to have to drop offline having just posted a burst of posts in the past few minutes; and if someone makes such a post without having posted immediately beforehand, in my experience this usually indicates issues with real life or time or attitude towards the concept of Mafia as a whole. rather than anything related to the player's alignment).

In post 255, Frogsterking wrote:

Very strong

FoS on Nosferatu for the active lurking and silent BW in the posts above + immediate attempt to create a counter BW from the players below:

I really hate this post. For one thing, if Italiano/Walter/Banana are creating a counterwagon, what is it a counterwagon to? You were the only vote on Nosferatu at the time of the post, so it can't be the Nosferatu wagon (not to mention, that there are too many players there for this to be a case of "Nosferatu's scum whose buddies are saving them"). As far as I can tell, the most logical view of the wagon on you as a counterwagon is if it's a counterwagon to Walter.(there are four votes there at the moment – although some of them were posted after the wagon on you started – and some players expressed suspicion of Walter without a vote). But if that were the case, and Nosferatu were scum, I would expect (and would expect you to expect) that Nosferatu would be voting for you, not Walter.

Actually, if you look at the votes on Walter, #191/#238/#244/#256, this is a surprising lack of reasoning for what is, for this game, a large wagon (there are more players scumreading Walter than there are votes there, e.g. #209/#213 from Raya, and #217 from Banana feels a bit like a scumread). The first vote by Gamma is fair enough – it's the first vote, and has enough logic behind it to make for a first vote – but the others are less explained and look more like players joining the wagon because they want to join the wagon, rather than based on a read on Walter specifically. Some of that will be town wagoning in order to get reactions, but I think it's likely (especially in a daytalk setup) that some of those votes are scum joining the wagon because they've decided that this is a wagon worthwhile for scum to push (either to get a townie eliminated, or to do some distancing in the hope that the wagon collapses). RCEnigma is probably the most likely scum on the Walter wagon (#256 looks a lot like a post-justification of "why this wagon, not that one?"), although this isn't all that strong a tell.

That said, my view of this situation is more that there's something going on that I don't understand, than that any particular player is necessarily scum. #257, in particular, doesn't fit well into a "there are two competing wagons, one town-driven on scum, one scum-driven on town" theory. If anyone can come up with a coherent view of how this particular gamestate came about, I'd be interested to hear it; it would likely help me set my own thoughts in order.

(And #266, which Italiano posted while I was writing that, says pretty much the same thing in using many fewer words. This makes me suspect that Italiano is town, having come to the same conclusion as me independently from the same evidence.)

Current readlist:

feels very towny to me. I don't believe he caught two scum on page 2, but I do believe he was searching for him. That comment and his voting patterns suggests he tries to create psychological pressure and pick up on others reactions. There's little obfuscation or hedging and his voiced opinions have been similar to my own, which something I've noticed from town players.

reminds me of our last game together where he was town, so as noted above, I'm going to assume that's the case until we have our first flip.
saying they want to pocket me could easily be emotional manipulation but is also very blunt and overt for scum. I'll probably have to go through another game of theirs to see how bold they are as scum, but for now I'll lean townie.

I want to see how callforjudgement's reads develop over the week. There are signs he's attempting to understand others but his focus on mechanical and optimal play is easy to fake. As that conflicts with my own playstyle, I'm predisposed to see focus on whether others reach an ideal level of townieness as an insincere method of scumhunting.

Most everyone else is null.

Frogsterking and Nosferatu are both low postcount (7 and 12 posts respectively). I'll point out the disagreement between them could be scum-theater. Playing off one another to look townie while not otherwise contributing.

Also odd that Foster should be upset with active lurking given they have one of the lowest post counts.

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