Open 798 | PYPX/Y+I/M | Mafia PT (over)

[Hoopla]

there's a part of me that is worried that if we kill skitter, and dave is actually neighbouriser (or something confirmable), SS looks like the most obvious choice for the cop.

it's logical that if scum are going to bid for cop (which the town will learn upon massclaim), they would do it with an early-ish pick.

i think this is a real risk.

[Something_Smart]

perhaps i'm overestimating the "why-are-you-still-alive" paranoia that will fall skitter's way if she's still alive, but i really think one more phase of her alive will turn the town on her.

That rarely happens anyway, and there's a claimed protective role as well as a potential unclaimed one here. I doubt people will turn on skitter if she keeps not dying.

[Hoopla]

you're probably right.

[Something_Smart]

i think this is a real risk.

Maybe, but I'm not sure how many town players would confidently come to that conclusion and push it over their personal scumreads. Dave seems to be the most likely because he's a highly mechanical player, but he's not very charismatic and if he's not neighborizer then it might make HIM look more like the cop/redirector.

[Something_Smart]

Hoopla kills skitter30

Who do we think lilith should jail?

[Hoopla]

Dave seems to be the most likely because he's a highly mechanical player, but he's not very charismatic and if he's not neighborizer then it might make HIM look more like the cop/redirector.

yes, this is what i'm hoping for.

but i am fearing him claiming neighbouriser and you coming under a lot of pressure.

[Hoopla]

lilith, who are you scumreading at the moment? maybe JK a top scum read low in the draft?

[Hoopla]

we have three hours until deadline. looks like from lilith's last reads list she could justify a N_M jailkeep. are you you happy with that lilith?

for now:

hoopla kills skitter
lilith JK N_M

[lilith2013]

yeah

[Hoopla]

ooh, so skitter was the universal backup PGO.

i would have protected her N1 if i claim doc. i feel she probably uses her action N1 a lot. does this alter our plan?

[Something_Smart]

Hmm. I would skim through her ISO looking for any obvious crumbs, but if you don't see any it should be fine.

Also, I was kinda hoping skitter would be UB, because now I can claim I went for rolecop which is totally something I would do

[Something_Smart]

I don't see any crumbs that she armed on N1. So I think you should be good. And it's reasonable that she wouldn't arm out of fear of killing a protective.

[Hoopla]

i don't know. i feel like she 100% uses her PGO N1 given there was a lot of bickering on D1 between DGB and the like over who is a top tier N1-NK. people seemed to think skitter was a good choice.

but i did skim through her posts and couldn't find any overt breadcrumbs.

[Hoopla]

can i just claim VT?

what does that do for lilith's claim? scum could still have been scared of a potential doc N2 & N3 to explain why she's still alive. plus, there needs to be an explanation for a no kill and she's the only role.

[Something_Smart]

If you think you will survive, yes... but that means that lilith is going to raise some eyebrows when she doesn't die. I think no-killing again and having her fake a guilty tomorrow is best in that case.

[Hoopla]

If you think you will survive, yes... but that means that lilith is going to raise some eyebrows when she doesn't die. I think no-killing again and having her fake a guilty tomorrow is best in that case.

i just have a feeling it will all unravel spectacularly with a doc claim. i just can't shake the feeling.

hopefully town goes for the "keep the doc hidden" play, so we have one more phase to reassess.

[Hoopla]

lets really push the angle of keeping the doc hidden, with it being able to claim if its wagoned. this way, i don't have to claim doc and can hopefully survive today's mis-elim as a VT. but

if

i am wagoned, i have the doc claim as a last hurrah to try and sway the town.

[Hoopla]

seems like lilith is a real chance of being eliminated today, which really makes a doctor claim harder to justify as it stretches out the earliest day we can win to D7. doctor doesn't live that long, so i think i need to be claiming VT if we massclaim today.

[Something_Smart]

this is a spectacularly spicy gambit from Menalque. I love it

try not to express too much overt disbelief, it may look like TMI.

[Hoopla]

this is a spectacularly spicy gambit from Menalque. I love it

try not to express too much overt disbelief, it may look like TMI.

i feel like this would be my normal reaction as town, but point taken.

plus from a town perspective, the cop could still be scum.

[lilith2013]

careful, I haven’t announced that I blocked nm yet. technically I could have blocked mena and neither his cop nor nm’s neighborize on mena would have gone through.

[Something_Smart]

Jailkeeper doesn't stop non-killing actions on the target.

[Hoopla]

careful, I haven’t announced that I blocked nm yet. technically I could have blocked mena and neither his cop nor nm’s neighborize on mena would have gone through.

N_M claimed to be blocked last night in the thread, though.

[lilith2013]

wow I literally didn’t even know what jk did. rip

[Hoopla]

i think we're in a pretty good position now. i've improved my standing in the game amongst the influential voices (menalque and infinity), plus others like peta don't have me on their radar. so i think i won't be limmed today.

i think lilith is a possible elimination, but i don't think it's the end of the world if she is. we just need two mis-elims in the next two days if she is, and the pool of mis-elims is wide enough (peta, dave, BB) to make it work. i think there is also a chance of menalque coming under pressure in a 5p lylo, but probably not tomorrow (could be a good N5 kill if nobody else conf-towns).

either way, i think N_M should be the NK tonight to ease PoE and keep scumteam combinations wide.