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Gamma what are you doing? you're doing nothing.

In post 199, marcistar wrote:VOTE: Meuh

is this rvs? can you share your read on Meuh?

In post 247, Gamma Emerald wrote:outside the traitor claim thing, the biggest thing that sticks out to me is dwlee justifying their rvs vote, it feels overwrought, so even outside the hood deal I have dwlee as leanscum

Do you think scum!Dwlee panics around town!Koba like that though? It would be a stark contrast to how SCP went.

In post 243, Roden wrote:Originally I kinda thought Koba was scum trying to hard push Dwlee for freezing up, but I like their interactions with GL. Dwlee idk on but they're a little too blatantly self-conscious right now for me to think their reaction to pressure was scummy. So they're a town read and lean respectively for now.

I townread Koba, but can you tell me more about what about their interaction with GL that makes you think town?
Do you think Dwlee was being blatantly self-conscious is town-indicative? Why couldn't they be blatantly self-conscious and null?

I understand NK15. I also read Koba's opening as a huge open crumb that they're the traitor. But it could have also been a reaction test. I'm not following why he would vote GuiltyLion though. Mostly, GL feels towny (but I'm hesitant to townread) and if NK15 wants to push there maybe he can clarify his read.

In post 252, Roden wrote:

In post 247, Gamma Emerald wrote:outside the traitor claim thing, the biggest thing that sticks out to me is dwlee justifying their rvs vote, it feels overwrought, so even outside the hood deal I have dwlee as leanscum

Do you think scum!Dwlee panics around town!Koba like that though? It would be a stark contrast to how SCP went.

maybe
we were all scum in a normal at one point

GL is probably my leading suspect aside from dwlee rn

Why? I'm leaning into GL town because of the behind-the-scenes read change for a wagon that's gaining steam (isn't it counterproductive to do that as scum?) but it's not really hard to do as scum and can be tactical if Dwlee is a partner. Plus, when prompted, he actively tried to make me question his townness (another counterproductive thing to do as scum, yet might also be done to pocket me)

Looking for other perspective on GL before closing my read there.

I just get a vibe that's similar to his play in the white flag game where he was scum (the one cyrus62 modded)
I'll say your specific thought process does feel distinctly towny, HEM

In post 258, Gamma Emerald wrote:I just get a vibe that's similar to his play in the white flag game where he was scum (the one cyrus62 modded)
I'll say your specific thought process does feel distinctly towny, HEM

his insistence that there has to be scum in a hood skeeved me really badly.

that's just bad theory imo

seems reasonable though

In post 229, GuiltyLion wrote:Koba can be against lumping mechplay and dayplay, that's fine and I can empathize with that perspective, but it isn't going to change my opinion as it relates to the hoods and this game here. I know it's unsatisfying for you but I'm not really willing to discuss the point further, I will assure you that "being in a hood" is never going to be my sole or primary reason for wanting to eliminate somebody especially the deeper into the game we go

In post 253, humaneatingmonkey wrote:

In post 243, Roden wrote:Originally I kinda thought Koba was scum trying to hard push Dwlee for freezing up, but I like their interactions with GL. Dwlee idk on but they're a little too blatantly self-conscious right now for me to think their reaction to pressure was scummy. So they're a town read and lean respectively for now.

I townread Koba, but can you tell me more about what about their interaction with GL that makes you think town?
Do you think Dwlee was being blatantly self-conscious is town-indicative? Why couldn't they be blatantly self-conscious and null?

I think scum!Koba would keep prodding there, while town!Koba would see that continuing to prod could potentially be anti town and back off.

Somebody mentioned earlier that Dwlee is good about self-image stuff as town and I agree there. Dwlee's town and scum play isn't quite night and day, but I feel that they could've easily handled it better if they were scum.

In post 248, humaneatingmonkey wrote:1) because town!koba knows where it would lead (a useless 1v1 with me) if they continue a facetious line of attack when they could just back off and explain themself

Regarding this point, wouldn't this reasoning fall apart if town!koba genuinely thinks that you are scum? Like you're assuming they think it's a facetious line of attack, when they might just actually believe they're onto you, in which case they wouldn't want to back off

I also don't like the way you have been defending me, it kinda feels like you might know that I am town and are trying to either buddy me or earn Critical Thinking Townie Points by pointing out that my play isn't scum motivated.

it's also not like I especially backed off on my Dwlee read, I realized one line of argument I had was a bit uncharitable (Dwlee was accused for what they would believe are NAI reasons yet gave a NAI defense as if it cleared them) but I'm still voting there, I still think Dwlee's a good vote

on the flip side, I townread Koba's dislike of my scum-in-a-hood assumption. I think that feels like a townie thing to get so wigged out by, because scum would both a) know that I am right in that world and b) possibly be self-conscious about how pushing back on the idea might look.

In post 260, Gamma Emerald wrote:that's just bad theory imo

don't call it bad until we know if I'm right or wrong

i think town!koba does not genuinely think i'm scum there.

i'm not trying to defend you. i'm actively making other people spell out why you're scum.

so why do you think it's still a good vote?

In post 262, Roden wrote:I think scum!Koba would keep prodding there, while town!Koba would see that continuing to prod could potentially be anti town and back off.

Somebody mentioned earlier that Dwlee is good about self-image stuff as town and I agree there. Dwlee's town and scum play isn't quite night and day, but I feel that they could've easily handled it better if they were scum.

it was me who said it. i agree with this. i think Dwlee and Koba can both be in my townblock.

GL, why? Why do you think I'm scum? I don't even think Koba really believes what they're saying, but you do? Can you explain your read on me?

In post 266, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i think town!koba does not genuinely think i'm scum there.

i'm not trying to defend you. i'm actively making other people spell out why you're scum.

so why do you think it's still a good vote?

eh, I dunno if I see the Relevant Difference here between "defending" me vs "making other people spell out why I'm scum", I understand those things aren't quite the same but my point is that the reasons you've giving for townreading me feel a little less like naturally drawn conclusions and more like reasons you could come up with to TR me while knowing that I'm town, and there's certainly possible benefits to scum taking that position on me here. I know regardless of your alignment you're prob not going to agree/see it that way, buuuuut that's how I feel

Dwlee is a good vote still because I have not yet felt any good townvibes from any posts they've made

In post 265, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 260, Gamma Emerald wrote:that's just bad theory imo

don't call it bad until we know if I'm right or wrong

"bad theory" means regardless of whether it's correct or not, it's a bad assumption to make
hoods are like the number 1 thing people go pants-on-head about, including me sometimes

that sounds like horseshit. why shouldn't i townread you?

what do you think about roden's read on dwlee?

what is even going on between you two

Gamma where are you in this game

as in my reads?
you, marci, koba, and nk15 are TRs for me rn
dwlee and GL are suspects