Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:56 pm
Mod: Can I have multiple heals?
That reminds me that I had another idea I was meaning to try in these large games about posting a visual representation of the town with everyone's avatars kind of like Datisi's triangle thing. I thought it would help keep the players straight by remembering "these five people live on this street, these five people live on this street," etc.In post 244, Andante wrote:a few of these avatars are blending together and I skimmed some posts,
Frogster I don't care so much about the answer to this specific question anymore as you've since explained your read on StrangeMatter and I'm holistically townreading a lot of your other content, but to close the loop here did you intentionally ignore this post or did you miss it? because I agree with you that conversation can be a fruitful way to feel out people's vibes and generate intuitive reads, but if that's how you feel and you intentionally ignored me then I'd want to know why you didn't afford me the opportunity when I asked you a questionIn post 121, GuiltyLion wrote:^^thisIn post 79, catboi wrote:Baffling read.In post 66, Frogsterking wrote:PEDit: StrangeMatters is already out of their scum range by the way, slight townread on StrangeMatters from me.
I don't think I should be townread given what I've posted so far, but calling it "trash" feels a bit extreme, especially if you're gonna immediately put me in a category labeled "weak" scumreads. Why did you choose a word as inflammatory/strong as trash?In post 84, Frogsterking wrote:Tigger's iso is trash. Slight townread on Ceph.
weak townreads:
StrangeMatter
Cephrir
weak scumreads:
Lukewarm
GuiltyLion
(also it's Hobbes not Tigger)
Okay this is another suggestion worth pursuing IMO.In post 249, Titus wrote:In post 242, Morning Tweet wrote:What does this mean?In post 231, Titus wrote:Why don't we just heal whoever puts out reads day 1 and go from there?Right. So if we put all the vocal people giving reads as heal targets, scum are forced to pick a lurker.In post 243, Morning Tweet wrote:Ohhhhh so the people we heal cant be killed or set as the defuse then? Ahhhh so in other words itd be much easier for scum to put themselves in the defuse seat. I think I understand you now @catboi
It's kind of up to us the pool scum picks from.. the dilemma makes a lit more sense now.
In post 224, VP Baltar wrote: actually, this raises a question for me:mod, does town get to decide which chosen experts go to which bomb?
Yeah. You can heal as many people as you want I think
Have you played with frog before?In post 256, GuiltyLion wrote:the way he's townreading Frog, I could see as an early attempt to buddy/deflect an extremely vocal player who already suspects him
Ehhh for me it was more I felt weird vibes from catboi, like too aggressive, scary... I'm not going there though, would rather spend my effort with people being non scary lolIn post 248, Frogsterking wrote:I thought it looked TvT but Catboi always looks town, not as sure about Pooky. That's why in my readslist I gave Pooky more credit for the interaction than Catboi.
I think VP is scum based on tone. Specifically VP is being self conscious and pensive. I think what VP is saying about trying to figure out the setup is true, I just scumread the way he comes off while going about it.
I'm trying to be methodical so to counter confbias I came up with three reasons I think I could be wrong: 1) VP is being really cautious because they want to get the setup mech right 2) something IRL like being in the middle of the work week or 3) I hate to say it but I think it's necessary for the whole self-disclosure credibility cycle, if VP hasn't rolled TPR in a while or they are just one of those people who play scummy when they get TPR intentionally or unintentionally, that could definitely explain what I'm observing as well, and it's important for me to recognize that on some level which I'm not good at doing yet.
Don't think it's fair? I'm legit giving thoughts, and I asked you a question.. how is asking you a question not fair? It's not like I'm currently death tunneling you... I'm engaging in a civil conversation, with the intent to pick your brain for reads on the others... like, whether you're town or maf, I want to know your reads, and like if we're thinking similar things, like VP, cool!! Different things? like catboi/pooky? cool! I like other perspectives! So by you going "I don't think this is fair" it feels like you read what Tweet said, and are just repeating Tweet's thoughts instead of your own, which like, town wouldn't do... like, what? what is not fair about me asking why you care that someone doesn't like large games??In post 248, Frogsterking wrote:I don't think this is fair at all?
Like I think it's fine to ask but I don't think the judgement is helpful in this case.
The main reason I asked is that I was genuinely curious why they didn't like large themes, the way their post trailed off at the end kind of looked like there might be a story there. If you look earlier MorningTweet and I established we probably haven't played together and don't know anything about each other, so I was more curious about MorningTweet themselves rather than specifically their reason for not liking large themes. I also don't agree that there is a specific kind of topic that's more likely to produce AI information, I think arguing about reads is helpful sometimes as well as just having organic conversation. In this case I had a question I wanted to ask to a player I just met and in the moment I was both curious and felt like it could be more fruitful for AI information than accusing them or asking about their reads.
Overall my main issue with that list is just the lack of explanations tbh like, here you explain catboi vs pooky in the list, I think a little more of the "why" would've been better, cause I'm not taking someone's list too seriously if there's no reasonings attatchedIn post 248, Frogsterking wrote:Lol I understand where you're coming from here. Thank you for noticing the effort I put into the formatting.
I repeated "order matters" because my first question whenever I see a reads list is if the order matters between the players within each category. I've also seen enough other players ask this question after a readlist gets posted that I wanted to make sure it was clear that the order did matter. I didn't post a lot of reasons because my reads aren't based on really logical deduction yet, they're almost completely based on intuition, if not completely based on intuition, so I can come up with reasons to justify why I subjectively put one player over and another, but it feels dishonest in a way to put that in the readslist because it implies the list is driven by logic, which it really isn't.
I'm also not confident in the list as much as I'm confident in my ability to create one, and in the benefit of creating one earlier, even if it's a bit rough. I'm hoping we will be able to make a townblock which can work together and construct a more accurate PoE via a readslist.
That being said, which parts of my readslist do you think could be made better?
meh at the moment it's just you and bulge that blend together, but I think that's mostly cause bulge is not doing anything game related, and is definitely coasting right now, and your posts, I think I've just skimmed, so like, ehhh not a huge deal.. (I only skimmed cause I had a lot to catch up on)In post 251, Frogsterking wrote:That reminds me that I had another idea I was meaning to try in these large games about posting a visual representation of the town with everyone's avatars kind of like Datisi's triangle thing. I thought it would help keep the players straight by remembering "these five people live on this street, these five people live on this street," etc.In post 244, Andante wrote:a few of these avatars are blending together and I skimmed some posts,
I just replied as I saw the post. Didn't see datisi had gotten to it already.In post 259, GuiltyLion wrote:VP why are you answering a question directed at the mod that the mod already answered
can you link me to a completed town game or two where you feel you played similarly to how you're playing here? maybe a mechanics heavy game if possible?
you got me looking up the post so I'm just responding to this,In post 256, GuiltyLion wrote:I like the VP Baltar scumread
to add my own reasoning, I think 119 is a notably LAMISTy post/question. there's missing undercurrents of thought I would want to see in it, like are people who are wrong about mech town or scum?, why is knowing what you are talking about an important thing to call attention to?, etc. I find this post to be what I look for in a "busywork", "post to fit in" type of post if we're looking for "busywork" posts. And the way he's townreading Frog, I could see as an early attempt to buddy/deflect an extremely vocal player who already suspects him
VOTE: VP Baltar
This is the initial post from VP I didn't like... like, if you have lots of questions... just ask... no need to warn for "dumb questions" like, if you KNOW they're dumb... why purposely ask a lot... and yeah idk, that post was bad to meIn post 38, VP Baltar wrote:Fair warning, in games like this, I'll probably ask lots of dumb questions about the setup/mechanics.In post 35, catboi wrote:please go read the setup again.
Terrified!In post 269, The Praetorian wrote:vp has fear in his heart
my lawyer says I dont need to answer that oneIn post 271, Morning Tweet wrote:praetorian have we had the pleasure of playing together before?