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Post Post #250 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:34 am

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I just voted for the mafia. Anyone not voting with me is throwing.
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Post Post #251 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:47 am

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VOTE: the mafia
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Post Post #252 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 5:59 pm

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I still think it's just Goldfish, tbh.
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Post Post #253 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:49 pm

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Spoiler:
So many blocked kills
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Post Post #254 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 9:40 pm

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In post 252, Somnus wrote:I still think it's just Goldfish, tbh.
Oh NO how should I respond? Ignore it and act like I don't care? Make a joke and claim scum to show that I don't treat this seriously? Aggressively ask why?

I'm gonna go with this:
VOTE: Somnus

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SOMNUS WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS BUSING IN THE CULT PT. What are you doing?
Always assume I am phone-posting

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Post Post #255 (ISO) » Sun Jul 31, 2022 10:01 pm

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Spoiler: Petition to corrupt someone during the day as well as night phase
what with the number of people dying per night, plus eliminations, I can't keep up. As the cult leader of the cheeseburger faction, it's my job to look out for us and make sure the game is mechanically winnable, to make the game fair I'd like to request additional corruption powers (;
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Post Post #256 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:31 am

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Spoiler:
In post 253, Dunnstral wrote:So many blocked kills
Hello!

And wait...really?
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Post Post #257 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:32 am

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In post 254, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
In post 252, Somnus wrote:I still think it's just Goldfish, tbh.
Oh NO how should I respond? Ignore it and act like I don't care? Make a joke and claim scum to show that I don't treat this seriously? Aggressively ask why?

I'm gonna go with this:
VOTE: Somnus

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SOMNUS WE DIDN'T DISCUSS THIS BUSING IN THE CULT PT. What are you doing?
Do you think they're buying our distancing act?
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Post Post #258 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:35 am

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I'm thinking we got really lucky to have an IC + Doc combo.
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Post Post #259 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:38 am

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If there's a 1-shot doctor, it automatically means there's a doctor in the setup as well. 1-shot doctor only appears if D has been rolled twice.

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What I'm curious about is the comment about kills being blocked. If mafia has been getting blocked with their night kill attempts, then...
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Post Post #260 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:42 am

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@mod?


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Post Post #261 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:24 am

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Had to spoiler a few posts. It was probably fine but just in case someone joins and would rather not know everything.
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Post Post #262 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:32 am

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Spoiler: Cereal Killer?
There is and I think they have a chance. Doc is playing very well though, they blocked a kill both nights.
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Post Post #263 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:34 am

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In post 255, GoldfishFromTheMoon wrote:
Spoiler: Petition to corrupt someone during the day as well as night phase
what with the number of people dying per night, plus eliminations, I can't keep up. As the cult leader of the cheeseburger faction, it's my job to look out for us and make sure the game is mechanically winnable, to make the game fair I'd like to request additional corruption powers (;
Sure, why not?
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Post Post #264 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:35 am

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As the Cult of Cheeseburger grows in reach and influence, its corruption powers expand. You may now corrupt one person each day phase.
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Post Post #265 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:42 am

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Spoiler:
Oh wow. This just got a lot more interesting. RH said during Day 2 that my scum pool of Aisa, Klick, and Gamma all have an ability or a factional ability (kill). Considering there's only 1 mafia left, there's a decent chance that there's 1 mafia, 1 town PR, and 1 serial killer in my pool. LOL. Could be 2 town PR's, but that's not nearly as funny.
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Post Post #266 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:46 am

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Spoiler:
And since I'm pretty sure a serial killer can only appear when there's an even number of town PRs, we've got:

1. Doctor (unknown)
2. 1-Shot Doctor (froggo)
3. Innocent Child (Hiraki)
4. 1-shot Vigilante (Klick...allegedly ).

I somehow doubt there's 6 town PRs, but I suppose it's possible. 3-5 is the norm here.
This makes things way more exciting than a nearly guaranteed town victory at this point.
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Post Post #267 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:51 am

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Spoiler:
It's not necessarily an even number of PRs, just an even number of town letters. For example, if the setup were CCDDTTT, there would be a cop, a doctor, and a 1-shot doctor.
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Post Post #268 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:53 am

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Ah ok. I sort of see. I'm a simple man. I understand shapes like triangles and squares. You give me a 9-block grid and my child-like mind can grasp it.

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Post Post #269 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:02 am

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Ok. Last thing. I get it more now. For some reason, I had the mindset that the amount of non-T's rolled pre-game would mean there's that many power roles. Giving it another look, I see now that that's not the case. Like you said, 2 C's would just equal 1 cop. Three D's would just equal 2 doctors. Two V's would just equal 1 vigilante. So now I don't even know if it's possible to get 6 or 7 town PRs, but I'm guessing it's not. And that's a good thing. In a typical normal mini (the standard 13-player version), 3-5 town PRs is the norm, and if it's 5, it's usually a bunch of extremely gaited or low-power kind of roles.
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Post Post #270 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:15 am

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This is just more math so doesn't really need a spoiler. There can be anywhere from 0-7 PRs. TTTTTTT is goon + GF + SK vs. 10 VTs. In a setup like CDDVMMB, the letters actually are one PR each so you'd have 7 of them.
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Post Post #271 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:22 am

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When you consider that 10v2 mountainous has an expected town winrate of 33.2% (found in wiki), that's kind of concerning. Idk what adding an SK would do to that though. Probably wouldn't increase it.
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Post Post #272 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:57 am

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In post 256, Somnus wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 253, Dunnstral wrote:So many blocked kills
Hello!

And wait...really?
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yeah I’m surprised by this too lol. let’s go Doctor!!! And very excited that there is actually an SK :D
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Post Post #273 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:08 am

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Any multi-ball game is going to be extremely swingy and hard to balance. In a hypothetical 10-2-1 vanilla, the game could end pretty quickly and the SK is more or less going to determine which of the other two factions is essentially buried.

Hell, if you even take something like Fire and Ice, people can’t decide whether a good win-rate should be 50-25-25 (Town, Fire Mafia, Ice Mafia) or 33-33-33. I’d say the latter for sure.
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Post Post #274 (ISO) » Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:33 am

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Oh yeah there are multi ball games on this site!! I hope I get to play one soon!!! Like with actual multiple mafias not just an SK
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