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Enough WIFOM. Enough distrust of claimed people. We are getting somebody swung, and it better be ooba.

Even if I WAS recruited, I would still be trying my best to lynch the enemy recruiter, right? SO WHAT THE @#$^. JUST LYNCH ONE OF THEM I DON'T CARE WHICH. BUT WE HAVE A LOAD OF EVIDENCE AGAINST OOBA AND HALF OF YOU JUST WANNA PLUG YOUR YEARS AND CLOSE YOUR EYES AND STICK YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND AND HOPE IT GOES AWAY.

WHAT THE FFFFFFFf.




Why would signersigner unless she was protecting someone? i.e. herself or a recruiter. Answer:

He hasn't proven it except for claiming a nightkill that could have been a scum nightkill. Which was on one of the most pro-town people in the game at that point.

She hasn't proven anything except for a mechanic which only ooba corroborates, and that the only confirmed loose cannon NEVER MENTIONED. Which leads me to the next point.

In fact, I'd bet good money that it her. It could have been anyone, not just her or ooba. The whole thing is, we KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION. WHICH MAKES IT ALL FISHY.





TWO SEPARATE COPS got a NO-RESULT on ooba!

I liked the TL;DR best.

Reaper, plz for once in this game just calm down, your CAPS LAWKE RAGES aren't helping me want an Ooba lynch at all.

Also, I saw in someones post a quote where you said that you thought me and Andrius were recruitees.

So...what you're saying, Reaper...is that I'm bussing my own recruiter...?

You cultists know you're just arguing with each other at this point, right?

ReaperCharlie wrote:Plz answer my question Yos.

I'm not really answering random questions, obv, but if you mean the question about how many members my cult started with; I kind of already answered that in my numbers post. It started with just the recruiter.

Robocopter87, 2492 wrote:You think that me and Andrius are in a cult? I've been protecting the cop constantly and you just assume we are in the cult because it can fit if you shove it into the puzzle hard enough?

Listen, you have NO backing to this accusation. I could say you are a recruit but does that mean you are?

So stop putting people into categories unless you got some frikkin evidence, otherwise you can just shut up.

Well it isn't too hard to imagine that you would be recruited after your claim. And speaking of frikkin evidence, how about you vote ooba who is the only person who has any shred of evidence for being cult recruiter?

RC's 2500 is gold. I'm glad he still has the energy to repeat the case. The fact that the ooba lynch is reaching such resistance makes me believe he is part of the larger cult, whatever that mean. And by larger cult, I mean his cult size is large enough to fillabuster this to the end unless we get enough town and opposing cult support.

Robocopter87, 2502 wrote:Reaper, plz for once in this game just calm down, your CAPS LAWKE RAGES aren't helping me want an Ooba lynch at all.

Also, I saw in someones post a quote where you said that you thought me and Andrius were recruitees.

Can we please stop the never ending so-and-so is a recruitee nonsense? It's distracting, unless there is evidence for the person being lynched actually being a recruitee I don't see the purpose to discussing whether or not you think you couldn't be recruited or not, or anyone else for that matter. After we lynch ooba we'll have a pretty good idea who is on his team, so we can discuss recruitees then as it will help us narrow down the other cult recruiter.

Lord Gurgi, 2504 wrote:You cultists know you're just arguing with each other at this point, right?

Says the guy not aiming for anyone.

xvart.

Lord Gurgi wrote:You cultists know you're just arguing with each other at this point, right?

This really hits home to me. Only problem is, who is the cultists?

OK Fine.

I think that Andrius and RC should co-ordinate their targets, so we don't see another overlap

Chronopie wrote:

Mr. Flay wrote:

Mobsters still in the building:

1. Andrius
   - Claimed Enforcer (Supported by RC, Yosarian) - Protected by Robo since N1
   
2. Chronopie
   - Claimed Roleblocker (Supported by Yosarian2, Xvart, Flameaxe) , Investigated Town (RC#3)
   
3. inHimshallibe

   Katsuki
   Darox
   
4. Erg0
   
5. animorpherv1
   Flameaxe*
   
6. gandalf5166
   
7. Lord Gurgi
   - Investigated Town (RC#2+A#2)
   
8. ooba
   - Claimed Loose Cannon (Supported by singer, no counterclaim on zwet kill)
   
9. Porochaz
   
10. ReaperCharlie
    - Claimed Enforcer (Supported by Andrius), Investigated Town (A#0)
    
11. vezokpiraka
    Robocopter87
    - Claimed Consigliere (Supported by Yosarian)
    
12. TheLonging
    singersigner
    - Claimed Loose Cannon (Supported by Ooba, dayvote use)
    
13. xvart*
    
14. Yosarian2*
    - Investigated Cultist (A#3)

Based on this list, maybe andy choose from {Darox|Erg0|Flameaxe} and RC from {Gandalf|Porochaz|Xvart}

I'll be roleblocking one of {Darox|Erg0|Gandalf|Porochaz}

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While I'm inclined to doubt Ooba is a CR, I'll vote him today on the grounds that we can deal to Erg0 tomorrow. (whom I am inclined to believe probably is)

I'd act really eager to be investigated, but then you'd think I was a recruiter..... >.>

LG, if your point is that it might be LyLo right now and one would have to be careful, then fine. But on the whole, there have not been many votes and competing wagons in this game.

ReaperCharlie wrote:

1.

Why would signersigner

completely

waste

a vig shot

unless she was protecting someone? i.e. herself or a recruiter. Answer:

SHE WOULDN'T. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO.

2.

We don't even know that ooba is a loose cannon at all.

He hasn't proven it except for claiming a nightkill that could have been a scum nightkill. Which was on one of the most pro-town people in the game at that point.

3.

We don't know that signersigner is a loose cannon at all.

She hasn't proven anything except for a mechanic which only ooba corroborates, and that the only confirmed loose cannon NEVER MENTIONED. Which leads me to the next point.

4.

We don't know that the

?????

vote was singersigner.

In fact, I'd bet good money that it

wasn't

her. It could have been anyone, not just her or ooba. The whole thing is, we KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION. WHICH MAKES IT ALL FISHY.

5.

The ONLY person who corroborates ANYTHING signersigner says is.... ooba. Great.

6.

The ONLY person who corroborates ANYTHING ooba says is.... signersigner. Great.

7.

TWO SEPARATE COPS got a NO-RESULT on ooba!

HE IS NOT TOWN. HE IS NOT RECRUITEDSCUM. WE WERE NOT BLOCKED. SO THE ONLY THING LEFT IS.... *DUN DUN DUUUuuuuUuUuuuUUNNNN!!!!* -- YOU DO THE MATH.

I'm tired of responding to these posts when RC just ignores anything that is a valid counterargument and repeats the same stuff a few pages later.
1. "Don't attribute to scum theories, what you can attribute to VIness"

All points from 2-6 are "We don't know for sure" points. Of course, you don't know for sure - how is that a reason to lynch anybody?
2. I killed a person who I had listed as suspicious. Vig has got to use his instinct.
3. The confirmed loose cannon breadcrumbed twice. I don't expect him to list out all details related to his role.
4.
5. & 6. Two people with the same role corroborate each other - great surprise ..

7. This is the only valid point.

Basically it boils down to this:

Points in favor of ooba-recruiter:
- Two non-results from claimed cops

Points against:
- My uncountered claimed kill. You would need a very specific set of events to explain the kill otherwise
-- I recruit a LC N0 and decide to breadcrumb the role
-- I decide to kill in lieu of recruitment on N1 - This is a crazy choice


Gandalf and erg0 seem to be active lurking and sitting this one out .. I repeat - it would be a mistake to lynch me over them .. I'm not even a recruit ..

P.S: The fact that I don't feel the need to bold, caps or increase size of any words doesn't make any of it less true.

Anyone down for an RC lynch?

The only tie he has proving his enforcer role is Andrius.

He has a clear personal link to Andrius, and it's not inconceivable that he recruited him N0. The only results he has that differ from Andrius are Faraday N0, and Chronopie N3. On N0 Andrius apparently investigated RC. It's not hard to see Andrius feeding RC his result and fakeclaiming his N0 to clear RC. The N3 result could be the result of either a recruitment plus fakeclaim, or Andrius bluffing and calling cult on Yos (Who has been an obvious cult member since D1), while feeding his real result to RC again.

I think I'm going to look more deeply into Andrius' interactions with Faraday & RC. In the mean time tell me your thoughts/yell at me because you're in RC's cult.

I guess it is possible Andrius could have been recruited.

Gah, with all this speculation I'm getting paranoid.

RC is a bad lynch
- I have a non-recruiter vibe. Misguided townie or tunneling scum but not recruiter
- Setup argument : one would assume there to be more than one enforcer .. And since it's possible LyLo I'd expect any others to have claimed already.
- Ask yourself these questions .. If I'm a recruiter, Would I risk my head by claiming cop ? Even if I wanted to push an ooba-lynch, why not ask a minion to do it ?

Why are you being goaded by Ooba? Stop it now. We're going down the wrong path here, I'm just not sure where the right path is. Probably with all the people that haven't been posting since the Ooba wagon picked up again. Prozac needs to post more, Erg0 needs to be shot more, I have had enough from RC, Andrius, Robo, ooba, and the cultist PR campaign.

Lord Gurgi wrote:Why are you being goaded by Ooba? Stop it now. We're going down the wrong path here, I'm just not sure where the right path is. Probably with all the people that haven't been posting since the Ooba wagon picked up again. Prozac needs to post more, Erg0 needs to be shot more, I have had enough from RC, Andrius, Robo, ooba, and the cultist PR campaign.

What about my proposed direction?

ooba wrote:RC is a bad lynch
- I have a non-recruiter vibe. Misguided townie or tunneling scum but not recruiter
- Setup argument : one would assume there to be more than one enforcer .. And since it's possible LyLo I'd expect any others to have claimed already.
- Ask yourself these questions .. If I'm a recruiter, Would I risk my head by claiming cop ? Even if I wanted to push an ooba-lynch, why not ask a minion to do it ?

1a: Andrius has survived 4 game days and 3 nights since claiming cop. I don't think it would be much of a risk claiming to be a third cop.
1b: Confirmed power roles have been pretty much decided to be guaranteed non-recruiters
2: Having two negative cop claims helps bolster support, and with the lack of his own cop power he can't get too creative with his own results (Relying solely on Andrius' results and whatever he can learn/fake as a recruiter)
3: Pushing a lynch on an 'easy' target means a day without one of his members being lynched and brings him closer to victory. The fact you have survived 2 game days since Andrius claimed his No Result on you shows it's going to take more than that to get you lynched.

Darox wrote:Anyone down for an RC lynch?

The only tie he has proving his enforcer role is Andrius.

He has a clear personal link to Andrius, and it's not inconceivable that he recruited him N0. The only results he has that differ from Andrius are Faraday N0, and Chronopie N3. On N0 Andrius apparently investigated RC. It's not hard to see Andrius feeding RC his result and fakeclaiming his N0 to clear RC. The N3 result could be the result of either a recruitment plus fakeclaim, or Andrius bluffing and calling cult on Yos (Who has been an obvious cult member since D1), while feeding his real result to RC again.

I think I'm going to look more deeply into Andrius' interactions with Faraday & RC. In the mean time tell me your thoughts/yell at me because you're in RC's cult.

Eh...I think I'd still prefer Ergo, over xvart, over ooba, over reapercharles at this point. As tinfoil-y as he's being, it seems fairly genuine to me, so I'm going to doubt him being a recruiter. Not ruling out recruited, but pretty sure he isn't a recruiter.

I still like my erg0 vote. I am really, really disliking his vanishing from this thread as soon as RC pushes the ooba wagon.

@Xvart: Top suspect?
@Prozac: Same question.

Or point me to where you have previously answered the question.

RC wrote:Why are you being goaded by Ooba? Stop it now.

While I may have proposed theories that RC-Andr might be fakeclaiming to explain the non-results earlier in the day, I have never advocated an RC lynch. Not a recruiter is what my gut has been telling me for a long time. So I didn't goad Darox into this.

Darox wrote:

ooba wrote:RC is a bad lynch
- I have a non-recruiter vibe. Misguided townie or tunneling scum but not recruiter
- Setup argument : one would assume there to be more than one enforcer .. And since it's possible LyLo I'd expect any others to have claimed already.
- Ask yourself these questions .. If I'm a recruiter, Would I risk my head by claiming cop ? Even if I wanted to push an ooba-lynch, why not ask a minion to do it ?

1a: Andrius has survived 4 game days and 3 nights since claiming cop. I don't think it would be much of a risk claiming to be a third cop.
1b: Confirmed power roles have been pretty much decided to be guaranteed non-recruiters
2: Having two negative cop claims helps bolster support, and with the lack of his own cop power he can't get too creative with his own results (Relying solely on Andrius' results and whatever he can learn/fake as a recruiter)
3: Pushing a lynch on an 'easy' target means a day without one of his members being lynched and brings him closer to victory. The fact you have survived 2 game days since Andrius claimed his No Result on you shows it's going to take more than that to get you lynched.

- By risk I did not mean the risk of dying, its the risk of situations where he is counter'd e.g "I am a roleblocked. I blocked RC yesterday - couldn't have got a innocent on Chronopie".
- The confirmed power roles not being a recruiter is actually a double edged sword - people tend to get paranoid (Take my own case). Even so, RC was already confirmed by Andrius's N0 result as non-recruiter. (Assuming Andr\RC, the additional risk point still holds).
- While 3 is true, I come back to my point of "If he is recruiter, why not get one of his minions to claim and do the same thing?"

Flameaxe is now town. My suspect pool is narrowed down to erg0, gandalf and Poro .. I'd be shocked if there wasn't at least one recruiter in this list ..

I don't really have much else to say. Mostly just posting so I don't get prodded again. I'll be around when you guys are ready to have me hammer someone.

ooba wrote: While I may have proposed theories that RC-Andr might be fakeclaiming to explain the non-results earlier in the day, I have never advocated an RC lynch. Not a recruiter is what my gut has been telling me for a long time. So I didn't goad Darox into this.

Because I fakeclaimed D1, and did it so perfectly that it matched the flavor and title of the other FLIPPED Enforcer, furcolow, who claimed AFTER I did.

NO NO NO!!! NO RC LYNCH! NO OOBA LYNCH! STOP BEING STUPID!!!

Yosarian2 wrote:I don't really have much else to say. Mostly just posting so I don't get prodded again. I'll be around when you guys are ready to have me hammer someone.

Why don't you make a choice now? This isn't like me letting the town sway my hammer D3. You're a confirmed recruited, so you can be doing just as much scum-hunting as the rest of us. Like you've said, it's as much in your best interest to lynch the other cult recruit as it is ours.

It almost makes me think that one of the top two suspects is your recruiter, but taking a stance on one of them would be suspicious in either avoiding lynching your own recruit, or by at least "confirming" that the one you're voting for isn't part of your cult and/or town.

Porochaz wrote:NO NO NO!!! NO RC LYNCH! NO OOBA LYNCH! STOP BEING STUPID!!!

QFT QFT!!!