not sure! and that's one of the biggest reasons mbaki advances that he's town. But here's an objective look at whether it is as bulletproof of an argument - Let's look at other potential kills.
Varsoon - potential mislynch
Creature - likely scum partner, doesn't actually have a lot of opinions on mbaki, weakly argues for mbaki town.
OkaPoka - you also town read him after your revelation
Suka - very clear reads : scum Bright, kmd; if either Bright/kmd flip town, last scum is between Oka/DrDo. Town reads mbaki; cannot lead a wagon.
DrDolittle - potential mislynch
Kmd4390 - Kmd thinks mbaki is scum.
FWIW i reread over dann's iso he seemed to townread both creature and mbaki, and scum read kmd.
In post 2469, Kmd4390 wrote:He seemed convinced it's impossible for varsoon to be scum
is that your whole argument of mbaki town over me? I spent like 2 pages trying to convince oka that varsoon is town?
When I get on my computer later tonight I'll Ctrl+f varsoons name in your ISO, but it was specifically the way mbaki used setup info from the wiki to show a new belief that varsoon must be confirmed town while I was deciding whether to vote mbaki or varsoon.
So I did this and you're actually right. Your "smoking gun that varsoon is town" comment was one that I thought I'd remembered mbaki had made. So now I'm even more confused than I was.
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 5:00 pm
by mbaki
Dann was also a potential mislynch.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:43 am
by Kmd4390
V/LA until Friday night
because apparently I have to do a 40 fucking hour shift. Not at all amused right now.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:54 am
by northsidegal
Moongrass replaces Suka.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:25 am
by Moongrass
Hello
VOTE: OkaPoka
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:43 am
by mbaki
This is gonna be fun.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:44 am
by Varsoon
Why Oka?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:47 am
by Moongrass
I think it's reasonable to deduce a BrightEyedFish and OkaPoka scumteam.
DrDoLittle, mbaki and Varsoon appear to be the ideal scum pushes today. I suppose being in this game so long tends to make it harder to see through the paranoia which I believe scum are stirring to the point of apathy.
Mbaki and DrDoLittle feel very town based on their attempts to solve the game today with what looks to be genuine thought processes. Varsoon has reason to be genuinely frustrated as he's ping-ponged around the game with scum pushing for his lynch to distract from the actual scum.
Kmd, varsoon, and mbaki I consider cleared from the mass claim. It's possible that one of these could be a mafia goon however, I also townread them for other reasons which I've briefly touched on here. Creature is town.
DDL would you consider objectively looking at your tunnel on mbaki? Do you have strong reason to suspect him that you wouldn't mind sharing?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:49 am
by Varsoon
Ooof.
My guy.
BEF flipped town.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:53 am
by Moongrass
Well that's awkward. I'll have to relook at my PoE of which I believe kmd would be the least likely town in my townreads.
Apologies.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 10:59 am
by Moongrass
@Varsoon: I'm sorry if you've said already, but could you rank the order of your reads? I would like to brainstorm with you.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:22 am
by Moongrass
To elaborate on my OkaPoka scum theory: Oka's entrance was a disaster with no real intent to sort anyone based on reactions to it. The only purpose I could see was to hide behind meaningless content in a way that one might consider 'too scummy to be scum.'
This post sortly after being pushed nullifies and 'too scummy to be scum' theories as it shows a self-consciousness that an non-caring naturally scummy player would not exhibit. Furthermore, this post excuses scum!oka from further contributing to discussion.
When we fast forward to the easy mislynches being pushed today - Oka's stubborness in the mass claim, and his shallow shading of Varsoon, make complete sense as scumplay. I find it difficult to believe that a town player confident enough to open with RVS theory, deteriorates to a "Varsoon wants to claim last because he's trying to out our PRs" argument.
His thinking is not progressing in a towny way, contrary to mbaki and DDL who have created more genuine, and nuanced reads, as more information became available.
I don't understand the difference, but you look a lot like Shoshin.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:49 am
by Creature
In post 2520, mbaki wrote:Creature, can you post a reads list please?
Varsoon, Kmd or DDL scum
rest town
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:50 am
by Creature
VOTE: Varsoon
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:51 am
by Moongrass
In post 2518, OkaPoka wrote:Moongrass what is your experience with mafia and how much reading have you done?
I have played a few games on a few sites. I'm not a newbie by any means though, if that's what you're trying to determine.
I have read enough to townread this slot before I chose to replace in. This included going back to first few pages, the massclaim, skimming my own ISO, skimming creature's, and your ISO.