White Flag - TM2020

Auro · Post Post #2500 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:54 pm

This whole paranoia thing is a distraction. We should figure out and come to consensus on Dong/Gob/FF/Hopkirk.

Dannflor · Post Post #2501 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:01 pm

I felt FF's response to mine/EC's reach out last day phase was just-town™

Dannflor · Post Post #2502 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:02 pm

but like that read could be a lot stronger if he was playing rnow

Dannflor · Post Post #2503 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:03 pm

Hopkirk is my strongest town read out of the [dong, gob, Hopkirk] trichotomy simply due to the fact I think his early to mid D1 is super towny and a lot of his scumminess CAN be attributed to not having time for the thread since then

Dannflor · Post Post #2504 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:20 pm

Spoiler: D1 complete

In post 157, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
wguerts - 4
(
Kittymo
,
Dannflor
,
northsidegal
, Auro)

KittyMo
- 2
(wgeurts, Hopkirk)

Dannflor
- 1
(Formerfish)

Formerfish - 1
(Dongempire)

Hopkirk - 1
(gobbledygook)

Auro - 1
(Cephrir)

gobbledygook - 1
(
Dunnstral
)

Not Voting - 2
(
Espeonage
, Joan of Arc)

Activity Check - Start of Day

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

In post 216, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
KittyMo
- 2
(wgeurts, Hopkirk)

Formerfish - 2
(Dongempire,
Dannflor
)

wguerts - 1
(
northsidegal
)

Dannflor
- 1
(Formerfish)

Hopkirk - 1
(gobbledygook)

Auro - 1
(Cephrir)

gobbledygook - 1
(
Dunnstral
)

Cephrir - 1
(Auro)

Dunnstral
- 1
(
Kittymo
)

Not Voting - 2
(
Espeonage
, Joan of Arc)

Activity Check - Prodding Espeonage, northsidegal

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

In post 247, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
Cephrir - 2
(Auro, Dongempire)

Auro - 2
(Cephrir, Hopkirk)

KittyMo
- 1
(wgeurts)

Formerfish - 1
(
Dannflor
)

wguerts - 1
(
northsidegal
)

Dannflor
- 1
(Formerfish)

Hopkirk - 1
(gobbledygook)

gobbledygook - 1
(
Dunnstral
)

Dunnstral
- 1
(
Kittymo
)

Not Voting - 2
(
Espeonage
, Joan of Arc)

Activity Check - Prodding Joan of Arc

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch

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In post 303, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
Cephrir - 3
(Auro, Dongempire,
Dannflor
)

Auro - 3
(Cephrir, Hopkirk,
Espeonage
)

gobbledygook - 2
(
Dunnstral
, Joan of Arc)

KittyMo
- 1
(wgeurts)

wguerts - 1
(
northsidegal
)

Dannflor
- 1
(Formerfish)

Hopkirk - 1
(gobbledygook)

Dunnstral
- 1
(
Kittymo
)

Not Voting - 0
( )

Activity Check - Prodding Dongempire and wguerts

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

In post 381, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
Auro - 4
(Cephrir, Hopkirk,
Espeonage
, Formerfish)

Formerfish - 3
(
Dunnstral
, Auro,
Dannflor

Cephrir - 1
(Dongempire)

gobbledygook - 1
(Joan of Arc)

KittyMo
- 1
(wgeurts)

wguerts - 1
(
northsidegal
)

Dunnstral
- 1
(
Kittymo
)

Dongempire - 1
(gobbledygook)

Not Voting - 0
( )

Activity Check - Prodding Joan of Arc and wguerts

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

In post 508, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
Auro - 4
(Cephrir, Hopkirk,
Espeonage
, Formerfish)

Dongempire - 2
(gobbledygook,
Dannflor
)

Formerfish - 1
(
Dunnstral
)

Cephrir - 1
(Dongempire)

gobbledygook - 1
(Joan of Arc)

KittyMo
- 1
(wgeurts)

wguerts - 1
(
northsidegal
)

Dunnstral
- 1
(Kittymo)

Not Voting - 1
(Auro)

Activity Check - Replacing Joan of Arc

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

In post 539, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
Auro - 4
(Cephrir, Hopkirk,
Espeonage
, Formerfish)

Dongempire - 2
(gobbledygook,
Dannflor
)

Cephrir - 1
(Dongempire)

gobbledygook - 1
(Joan of Arc)

KittyMo
- 1
(CheekyTeeky)

wguerts - 1
(
northsidegal
)

Dunnstral
- 1
(
Kittymo
)

Not Voting - 2
(Auro,
Dunnstral
)

Activity Check - Replacing Joan of Arc, prodding goobledygook

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-16 22:59:30)

In post 659, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
northsidegal
- 3
(Cephrir,
Dannflor
, Hopkirk)

Auro - 2
(
Espeonage
, Formerfish)

Dongempire - 2
(gobbledygook, BBMolla)

Cephrir - 1
(Dongempire)

wguerts - 1
(
northsidegal
)

Dunnstral
- 1
(
Kittymo
)

Formerfish - 1
(CheekyTeeky)

Not Voting - 2
(Auro,
Dunnstral
)

Activity Check - All Good!

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

In post 810, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
northsidegal
- 3
(Cephrir, Hopkirk,
Kittymo
)

Auro - 2
(
Espeonage
, Formerfish)

Dongempire - 2
(gobbledygook, BBMolla)

wguerts - 1
(
northsidegal
)

BBMolla - 1
(CheekyTeeky)

gobbledygook - 1
(
Dunnstral
)

Espeonage
- 1
(
Dannflor
)

Not Voting - 2
(Auro, Dongempire)

Activity Check - All Good!

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

In post 922, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
northsidegal
- 3
(Cephrir, Hopkirk,
Kittymo
)

Auro - 2
(
Espeonage
, Formerfish)

Dongempire - 2
(gobbledygook, BBMolla)

wguerts - 1
(
northsidegal
)

gobbledygook - 1
(
Dunnstral
)

Espeonage
- 1
(
Dannflor
)

Formerfish - 1
(CheekyTeeky)

Not Voting - 2
(Auro, Dongempire)

Activity Check - Prodding northsidegal

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

In post 1167, PenguinPower wrote:
Vote Count
Formerfish - 5
(CheekyTeeky, BBMolla, gobbledygook,
northsidegal
,
Dannflor
)

northsidegal
- 2
(
Kittymo
, Cephrir)

Dunnstral
- 2
(
Espeonage
, Hopkirk)

Auro - 1
(Formerfish)

gobbledygook - 1
(
Dunnstral
)

Not Voting - 2
(Auro, Dongempire)

Activity Check - Penguin posting votecounts

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

In post 1267, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
northsidegal
- 5
(
Kittymo
, Cephrir,
Dunnstral
, Formerfish, gobbledygook)

Formerfish - 4
(BBMolla,
northsidegal
,
Dannflor
,
Espeonage
)

gobbledygook - 1
(Hopkirk)

Not Voting - 3
(Auro, CheekyTeeky, Dongempire)

Activity Check - All Good!

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

In post 1523, T-Bone wrote:
Vote Count
northsidegal
- 7
(
Kittymo
,
Dunnstral
, gobbledygook, BBMolla,
Dannflor
, Cephrir, Dongempire)

Formerfish - 2
(
northsidegal
,
Espeonage
)

BBMolla - 2
(CheekyTeeky, Formerfish)

gobbledygook - 1
(Hopkirk)

Not Voting - 1
(Auro)

Activity Check - Lynch at #1460

Deadline: (expired on 2020-01-17 22:59:30)

this is for ankamius

you can snark cephrir

Auro · Post Post #2505 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:33 pm

Lack of presence is more a townread for him IMO, he's too chill to be scum.

Dannflor · Post Post #2506 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:34 pm

guys Cephrir just sat on nsg for most of D1

his play is not scum

can we collectively agree to just lock him town

Dannflor · Post Post #2507 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:34 pm

In post 2505, Auro wrote:Lack of presence is more a townread for him IMO, he's too chill to be scum.

Is this referring to Hopkirk?

Auro · Post Post #2508 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:39 pm

Formerfish · Post Post #2509 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:20 pm

I know I've been absent from the thread and the site pretty much the last few days and normally I wouldn't mention what I've been up to but I think it's pretty relevant.

Most of you know my brother was on site for awhile, Desperado. He had a daughter recently and she was born with a heart defect. They went in and repaired it last week, so I took time to be with him and his wife to help where I could as they'd be in and out of the hospital.

The baby came home today and is doing great.

My next trip was to my mom's to drop some stuff off and pick some other stuff up. I was 3 hours late because I ran out of gas.

Twice.

Don't ask.

I'm settled now and going to bed. I will be here tomorrow to answer any and all questions.

Dannflor · Post Post #2510 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:43 pm

that sounds like a lot

take care of yourself <3

Donempire · Post Post #2511 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:27 pm

In post 2500, Auro wrote:This whole paranoia thing is a distraction. We should figure out and come to consensus on Dong/Gob/FF/Hopkirk.

No we shouldnt. 3 out of the 4 there are confirmed to be town and im not sold on gobble. He is likely also town. Sell me on it

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #2512 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:39 pm

Dann talk to me about Espeon. I don't think you took his play fairly into consideration nor did you really consider what people around him were saying. I don't really appreciate you calling the read on you paranoia when your play here isn't exactly obv town (according to my team so it's not just me) I feel like you use Eddie to push your agenda and the amount of emphasis you put into townreading me through the days felt slimy. I don't know if it's a playstyle difference but when someone thinks I'm scum I kinda don't care and continue to solve the game rather than trying to list reasons why I'm town.

As I said earlier I don't expect you to be lynched today and you probably never will be if I die and I would like to lynch the best person to reduce team possibilities which I've already discussed. Like it doesn't make sense to me that you're getting bent out of shape about your hypothetical lynch next day phase when we could end the game today or you're night killed. I think my proposed line of lunches hits at least 1 scum so sorry not sorry about having a strategy to win the game.

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #2513 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:39 pm

In post 2511, Donempire wrote:3 out of the 4 there are confirmed to be town

Is that based on your lurker not scum theory?

Donempire · Post Post #2514 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:55 pm

Hopkirk is. I guess i was a bit blunt with that statement, i townread former because i do not think scum benefits from counterwagoning other scum when they dont have to all die to lose, especially as nsg was saying shed be more active tomorrow and i dont see why scum would want to just throw that away.

Donempire · Post Post #2515 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:57 pm

Whats the cake thing

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #2516 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:18 am

The cake is your scumday but your join date is Sept so idk.

Auro · Post Post #2517 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:20 am

Dong, how about you sell me on:
1. Why you're town - is your play here different from your scumgames?
2. Who's scum in your proposed lynch pool?

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #2518 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:29 am

I get Dong's reasoning on Former but I'm undecided on whether nsg voting him makes him town or not. It's not strong enough in a vacuum to say he's town because of the wifom around it. I have successfully voted my buddy when I was the lynch to give them the win in Lylo. I think FF is still lower on the lynch list than Hop or Gobbles though. I keep forgetting why I townread BB and I no longer think Gobbles/BB are svs based on EOD2 and BB wanting to lynch him today. BB feels a bit strong on the self-preservation side of things, I wonder if lynching him is better than lynching gobbles because of that but Gobbles D2 was just bad so I guess there's more reason to be ok with Gobbles over BB.

Auro · Post Post #2519 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:38 am

In post 2518, CheekyTeeky wrote:I no longer think Gobbles/BB are svs based on EOD2 and BB wanting to lynch him today.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... lag_Gambit

CheekyTeeky · Post Post #2520 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:52 am

Wow that's actually a thing.

Donempire · Post Post #2521 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:45 am

In post 2517, Auro wrote:Dong, how about you sell me on:
1. Why you're town - is your play here different from your scumgames?
2. Who's scum in your proposed lynch pool?

1 - no
2 - I want to say cheeky/dann. I dont think gobs scum there and i dont suspect you as much as i do them.

Auro · Post Post #2522 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:51 am

Cheeky/Dann, interesting

Donempire · Post Post #2523 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:50 am

Is it?

Dannflor · Post Post #2524 (ISO) » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:51 am

In post 2512, CheekyTeeky wrote:Dann talk to me about Espeon. I don't think you took his play fairly into consideration nor did you really consider what people around him were saying. I don't really appreciate you calling the read on you paranoia when your play here isn't exactly obv town (according to my team so it's not just me) I feel like you use Eddie to push your agenda and the amount of emphasis you put into townreading me through the days felt slimy. I don't know if it's a playstyle difference but when someone thinks I'm scum I kinda don't care and continue to solve the game rather than trying to list reasons why I'm town.

As I said earlier I don't expect you to be lynched today and you probably never will be if I die and I would like to lynch the best person to reduce team possibilities which I've already discussed. Like it doesn't make sense to me that you're getting bent out of shape about your hypothetical lynch next day phase when we could end the game today or you're night killed. I think my proposed line of lunches hits at least 1 scum so sorry not sorry about having a strategy to win the game.

I don't want to degrade it as paranoia, which is why I was asking for you to elaborate on it more. That's just how I feel about it from my perspective.

Why does me town reading you feel slimy? Do you not think I should have such strong a town read? I put about the same amount of emphasis or more on my Auro town read. I also did so with Dunnstral when you guys were fighting. I was actually had some minor doubts on you before I had Ank/Tom weigh in and then saw that Pops was fully invested in this game. That was about the time I decided you were lock town. While that's still my strongest feeling, I also feel a need to engage with you on this because you scum reading me gives me doubts—although small—on your alignment. And I don't want to lose to you. Generally, if people think I'm scum I try to kinda not care too! But your trajectory on me confuses me and that gives me pause, and I need to be as confident as possible on you. To be clear, I'm not getting bent out of shape about me being the hypothetical lynch next day phase. I'm frustrated by you thinking that's an optimal plan because well, I think it's a very bad plan and if you're town I want you on my side. It's less about that and more about making sure you're not just pushing this so you can lynch me in endgame/whatever else.

Will you expand on what your team's concerns are? Pops' read in particular I would be interested in.

Regarding the Espeonage lynch, maybe I wasn't entirely fair. But I saw someone pushing 4/5 of my strongest town reads, and I thought that had to go. By the end of the day I was less sure he would flip scum, but decided it was probably still ++EV to lynch him and I think there was part of me trying to make up for the indecisiveness of D1.