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Actual reasons please. Not I agree or I think.
Just read the game and his iso and come back to me and tell me what you think he thought.

Archer says it seems like a weird question when Lancer asks Archer if he's scum reading Berserker. Does nothing with it.

Lancer and Archer looked slightly less likely to be aligned to me. I gave Saber credit for calling out Archer but it was only the one time. Considering it's like the whole scum team had collectively decided to abandon archer I feel as though I shouldn't be giving too much credit. By that thinking alter ego probably looks better just because he fosed her early until she began townreading him and slowly backed down, didn't get suspicious of him until end of the phase when he got weird about my wagon. Feels like an organic progression there where bussing him was likely coordinated.

...but that's just my opinion.

If all 3 wagons on day 3 were town does that help you read the game any better?

I meant during master phase. sigh. I need coffee. It's embarrassing seeing my brain chug along like this.

I think that my problem with their early interactions Assassin is that they seem incurious about one another.

Lots of periods. Few question marks. Little follow up.

In post 2505, Servant Avenger wrote:If all 3 wagons on day 3 were town does that help you read the game any better?

I'm not sure it does, because it means virtually everything that happened was totally arbitrary and the only thing to separate is determining who had a genuine thought process in trying to decide who to pick and was really thinking about it versus who wasn't that concerned with picking (truth be told the dirty little gremlin in my head wanted to flip caster to "resolve the wagons", normally a bad play that makes even less sense here). Does Archer trying to stoke Berserker's paranoia there make sense when the outcome is neutral for scum? I have no idea. If it was theater, I'd expect...better. I think we're just better off fading a lot of what went on during that phase.

In post 168, Servant Avenger wrote:Okay. Thank you.
It’s clear you have some already (more information) but that you don’t have all. And telling scum that could be bad for us.
I understand what you’re getting at and perhaps you feel cock blocked because you can’t run your role to its full extent with more experience you would know that there are absolutely ways for your role to work even without having us directly claiming to you

Oh hey, I was right about this, but I still have no idea if it's scum, town or neutral.

@Assassin, I mean, if you don't think master phase reading is valid or particularly helpful, then you could just go forward and examine Caster's wagon/FOS? At me.
Though I'm so universally town read at this point that nobody is even discussing the idea that maybe, possibly, potentially I could be scum.

Nope, I'm making a lot of assumptions.
I have a general idea of what probably happened at night.

But I should scrap my reads and start over with a fresh head outside of that.

In post 2510, Servant Avenger wrote:

In post 168, Servant Avenger wrote:Okay. Thank you.
It’s clear you have some already (more information) but that you don’t have all. And telling scum that could be bad for us.
I understand what you’re getting at and perhaps you feel cock blocked because you can’t run your role to its full extent with more experience you would know that there are absolutely ways for your role to work even without having us directly claiming to you

Oh hey, I was right about this, but I still have no idea if it's scum, town or neutral.

@Assassin, I mean, if you don't think master phase reading is valid or particularly helpful, then you could just go forward and examine Caster's wagon/FOS? At me.
Though I'm so universally town read at this point that nobody is even discussing the idea that maybe, possibly, potentially I could be scum.

Looking at the votes on Caster yesterday is what I'm doing and of those, Saber's feels the least valid to me.

In post 2499, Servant Avenger wrote:Lancer proceeds down that road of trying to tamp down on Berserker's momentum. #117.

@Beast, @Alter, @Saber, @Ruler, what do you think of Lancer?
Lancer what do you think of those 4?

@Beast, yeah that's what I meant. k.

Servant Avenger wrote:Actual reasons please. Not I agree or I think.
Just read the game and his iso and come back to me and tell me what you think he thought.

Alright,

TBH in early day 1 he was pinging a bit town with me. I liked their early interactions and they were answering questions directed at them with the right amount of sass.

During the night they seem the worst off after knowing shields flip. Reading their ISO from yesterday felt like they knew already what was going to happen. I fail to accept that their casual confidence in that town read came from a town place and think it was scum avoiding the wagon. I kind of feel the same way about moon, though they were more obvious and outspoken against the shield elim whereas lancer was more subtle and they also pointed out moon cancer's defense. It could be both of them, but I like Lancer for scum based on yesterday.

thats my thought space right now

In post 2513, Servant Beast wrote:

In post 2499, Servant Avenger wrote:Lancer proceeds down that road of trying to tamp down on Berserker's momentum. #117.

@Beast, @Alter, @Saber, @Ruler, what do you think of Lancer?
Lancer what do you think of those 4?

@Beast, yeah that's what I meant. k.

Servant Avenger wrote:Actual reasons please. Not I agree or I think.
Just read the game and his iso and come back to me and tell me what you think he thought.

Alright,

TBH in early day 1 he was pinging a bit town with me. I liked their early interactions and they were answering questions directed at them with the right amount of sass.

During the night they seem the worst off after knowing shields flip. Reading their ISO from yesterday felt like they knew already what was going to happen. I fail to accept that their casual confidence in that town read came from a town place and think it was scum avoiding the wagon. I kind of feel the same way about moon, though they were more obvious and outspoken against the shield elim whereas lancer was more subtle and they also pointed out moon cancer's defense. It could be both of them, but I like Lancer for scum based on yesterday.

thats my thought space right now

You're the first person who's ever actually done this for me. I'm touched.

In post 2514, Servant Avenger wrote:I'm touched.

That'll be $5.00

In post 2515, Servant Beast wrote:

In post 2514, Servant Avenger wrote:I'm touched.

That'll be $5.00

I need to remember to submit a guess by deadline.
I shouldn't have posted today. Feel under the weather.

In post 2499, Servant Avenger wrote:Lancer proceeds down that road of trying to tamp down on Berserker's momentum. #117.

@Beast, @Alter, @Saber, @Ruler, what do you think of Lancer?
Lancer what do you think of those 4?

@Beast, yeah that's what I meant. k.

I went through Lancer's iso again overnight. Kinda contrary to some opinions, I didn't hate his day 0 play during the first few pages. There were the entanglements and weirdnesses about the 3 master wagons late day 0, which bothered me at the time, and had Lancer a scumread for parts of day 1. The prodgy stuff really bothered me and I was totally down for eliming them in the second round if that's where Assassin wanted to go. Then their appearance late day 1 kinda won me back. Taking a contrary stand against the Shielder elim doesn't look bad on them at all, given the flip.

In post 2517, Servant Alter Ego wrote:

In post 2499, Servant Avenger wrote:Lancer proceeds down that road of trying to tamp down on Berserker's momentum. #117.

@Beast, @Alter, @Saber, @Ruler, what do you think of Lancer?
Lancer what do you think of those 4?

@Beast, yeah that's what I meant. k.

I went through Lancer's iso again overnight. Kinda contrary to some opinions, I didn't hate his day 0 play during the first few pages. There were the entanglements and weirdnesses about the 3 master wagons late day 0, which bothered me at the time, and had Lancer a scumread for parts of day 1. The prodgy stuff really bothered me and I was totally down for eliming them in the second round if that's where Assassin wanted to go. Then their appearance late day 1 kinda won me back. Taking a contrary stand against the Shielder elim doesn't look bad on them at all, given the flip.

how do you feel about moon's stand against the flip by comparison?

In post 2518, Servant Beast wrote:

In post 2517, Servant Alter Ego wrote:

In post 2499, Servant Avenger wrote:Lancer proceeds down that road of trying to tamp down on Berserker's momentum. #117.

@Beast, @Alter, @Saber, @Ruler, what do you think of Lancer?
Lancer what do you think of those 4?

@Beast, yeah that's what I meant. k.

I went through Lancer's iso again overnight. Kinda contrary to some opinions, I didn't hate his day 0 play during the first few pages. There were the entanglements and weirdnesses about the 3 master wagons late day 0, which bothered me at the time, and had Lancer a scumread for parts of day 1. The prodgy stuff really bothered me and I was totally down for eliming them in the second round if that's where Assassin wanted to go. Then their appearance late day 1 kinda won me back. Taking a contrary stand against the Shielder elim doesn't look bad on them at all, given the flip.

how do you feel about moon's stand against the flip by comparison?

Moon is more of a body of work read. I'm not scumreading them.

In post 2499, Servant Avenger wrote:@Beast, @Alter, @Saber, @Ruler, what do you think of Lancer?
Lancer what do you think of those 4?

I'd compromise on Lancer but based on today's developments I think Caster, Moon Cancer, and Beast are better lynches.

In post 2512, Servant Assassin wrote:Looking at the votes on Caster yesterday is what I'm doing and of those, Saber's feels the least valid to me.

Great. Help me flip Caster tmo and then we can argue if I was bussing or not.

In post 2520, Servant Saber wrote:

In post 2499, Servant Avenger wrote:@Beast, @Alter, @Saber, @Ruler, what do you think of Lancer?
Lancer what do you think of those 4?

I'd compromise on Lancer but based on today's developments I think Caster, Moon Cancer, and Beast are better lynches.

Why, to any of those?

@Beserker, Assassin, cancer we need to hash out what to do tonight. I'll be around.

All right. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if Lancer actually posted at some point tonight.