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Well I kinda looked at your ISO and you don’t actually look like you’ve been trying to solve since D1 and honestly despite knowing you’re reserved with your vote it’s really bothering me quite a lot that you have voted literally nobody and we’re in D3 now

I was very mentally absent last week for a variety of reasons including the election and schoolwork.

And I'm sorry that you're bothered by my lack of voting but how does that translate to my alignment?

Okay but I feel like I’ve caught you as scum for the exact same reasons before and I feel like this is u doing the same thing again?

In post 2502, Something_Smart wrote:And I'm sorry that you're bothered by my lack of voting but how does that translate to my alignment?

I think that despite you being reluctant to vote when you’re town (and therefore have actual reads) you’re more inclined to vote than when you’re scum and all your reads are fabricated

I mean, just because I did X and it made you scumread me and you were right, does not mean that you caught me for doing X.

In this case X is something I do frequently. Have you really never seen me change my level of engagement between days as town? I do that all the time.

In post 2504, Menalque wrote:I think that despite you being reluctant to vote when you’re town (and therefore have actual reads) you’re more inclined to vote than when you’re scum and all your reads are fabricated

Why?

(You may be right; I'm not sure.)

In post 2496, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 2487, skitter30 wrote:However you've been starting to fall into patterns i associate with scum!you

Is this more nuanced than "being useless"?

A little more nuanced, but yeah ultimately kinda boils down to this, and that he's less useless/more opinionated/pushy wrt his reads as town
I had a really good post describing the difference in lilith's game th at i'll pull up in a bit

In post 2495, Menalque wrote:I have a question: if lili is scum, and JK, why does she claim it yesterday and specifically why does she claim it on me?

No idea beyond thinking she can get you limmed, otherwise idk
Idk why she does that as town either so

In post 2499, Best Bird wrote:You're assuming optimal play ok the jk which i don't think is a good assumption

I mean fair but i think it's also a reasonable assumption ?

Aside she was also p vocal in defending why scum might pick informed over multitasking, which i think is +scum

Also dis anyone ger neighborized n1?

Also i dont think ss is scum particularly

In post 2505, Something_Smart wrote:I mean, just because I did X and it made you scumread me and you were right, does not mean that you caught me for doing X.

In this case X is something I do frequently. Have you really never seen me change my level of engagement between days as town? I do that all the time.

Mmmm, but this feels a lot like the arguments I’ve seen you make around setups where it’s like “but if scum had done this one thing differently they would have won” which is like.. okay, maybe, but the counterfactual doesn’t change everything and scum still lost.

In this case it’s more the lack of solving I’m concerned about than just a drop off in engagement, and so while yes, that COULD just be bc of the rl factors you mentioned, it could also be that your ISO lacks solving bc you’re just scum

In post 2506, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 2504, Menalque wrote:I think that despite you being reluctant to vote when you’re town (and therefore have actual reads) you’re more inclined to vote than when you’re scum and all your reads are fabricated

Why?

(You may be right; I'm not sure.)

Bc if you’re town I think you’re more inclined to slap a vote down when you get to a fairly high level of confidence; as scum, you have to artificially decide when you would have reached that point, and figuring out whether town!you would have been convinced of that person’s scumminess by point X is harder than just being convinced of that person’s scumminess by point X. So if you’re not around, it can just slip by you day after day without you voting

I think lili is locktown

I also think skitt may be scum

UNVOTE:

My logic on lili being locktown is as follows:

There is confirmed to me that there is a JK in the slots above me (pine requested JK and didn’t get it)

Lilith is claimed JK

I don’t see why scum lili would claim a JK on me there but I think town!lili excited because she thought it was a guilty /totally would/ out herself there


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I think skitter is scummy for not being dead and for pushing lili like this, which is what I think scum would do if there’s a doctor in the game who blocked the kill N1 and who scum are worried would cover lili last night

Ok but her play literally looks like scum!lilith and i'm having a very hard getting over that

I gotta pretend to do my job now but we can talk more about y u think i'm scum later

In post 2510, Menalque wrote:Bc if you’re town I think you’re more inclined to slap a vote down when you get to a fairly high level of confidence

I think this is somewhat of a misinterpretation of why I sit on my vote for so long.

Well, it's not. It is due to lack of confidence. It's just that most of the time when I choose to vote (at least early on), it's not because I have high confidence, but because I'm ready to end the day and the best course of action is clear.

Needless to say, I'm a lot pickier about what constitutes "the best course of action is clear" than most people.

lili
Infinity
Best Bird, hoopla
NM
Dave
Skitt, peta, S_S, dunn

Oh, and I voted lili bc I wanted to see if scum would hop on the CW to dunn or not

In post 2510, Menalque wrote:In this case it’s more the lack of solving I’m concerned about than just a drop off in engagement, and so while yes, that COULD just be bc of the rl factors you mentioned, it could also be that your ISO lacks solving bc you’re just scum

Well, there's an easy way out of this then. What do you want to talk about?

In post 2517, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 2510, Menalque wrote:In this case it’s more the lack of solving I’m concerned about than just a drop off in engagement, and so while yes, that COULD just be bc of the rl factors you mentioned, it could also be that your ISO lacks solving bc you’re just scum

Well, there's an easy way out of this then. What do you want to talk about?

This is exactly the thing

I don’t think, if you were town, that I would need to find things to try and generate discussion about or to engage you on, I think you’d be doing that naturally and organically by yourself, exploring those avenues and pushing where you need to

In post 2513, Menalque wrote:I think skitter is scummy for not being dead

If there's a doctor, wouldn't that also explain this?

I'm in day 3/3 of supporting a customer education event. It's rather hard to concentrate while people are talking in my headset.
I think S_S not voting might be NAI, but having basically no scumreads could be AI. Have I missed scumreads? Have there been some that I just don't remember? This has to be a todo item for after the classes are over.
I think lilith's choices aren't really scum indicative but that's pending a review of her trajectory on infinty. After the event.
NK may indicate scum are more concerned about near-universal townreads than they are about PR actions. That's information for my logic solve but it's quite a long way from being sufficient.

Pedit: damn, that's almost half a page while I've been writing this.

In post 2518, Menalque wrote:I don’t think, if you were town, that I would need to find things to try and generate discussion about or to engage you on, I think you’d be doing that naturally and organically by yourself, exploring those avenues and pushing where you need to

I never said you did? But it's never a bad thing to have discussions on topics that multiple people are interested in.

In post 2520, davesaz wrote:I think S_S... having basically no scumreads could be AI. Have I missed scumreads?

No you haven't, and no it isn't.

In post 2519, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 2513, Menalque wrote:I think skitter is scummy for not being dead

If there's a doctor, wouldn't that also explain this?

Maaaaaybe but honestly it’s really weird that scum wouldn’t take a shot between JK!lil and town!skitt last night (esp with skitt being so high in the draft)

In post 2521, Something_Smart wrote:

In post 2518, Menalque wrote:I don’t think, if you were town, that I would need to find things to try and generate discussion about or to engage you on, I think you’d be doing that naturally and organically by yourself, exploring those avenues and pushing where you need to

I never said you did? But it's never a bad thing to have discussions on topics that multiple people are interested in.

Okay, like, what are your reads can be a place to start then? What do you make of lili? What do you think of dunn at EoD yesterday?

fwiw had been having similar concerns about smart but was going to see what he did today