Not Quite Normal Multiball II (Game Over)

[The Keeper]

tactic always is a valid tictac. They get better late game.

Honestly, couldn't care about the ND wagon. They picked up a couple soul hearts, nothing significant.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Poor newbies underestimating the scum game of a guy whose schtick is that he likes to talk about how good he is as scum

You can say this to them.
But FYI, i probably have the most reason out of anyone in this game to be suspicious and paranoid of Flavour Leaf.
So the fact that i have not been so far should probably be a little bit telling.

[bnuuy]

Wouldn’t it be funny if Mastina’s huge explanation of their usage of an system they cannot really describe in full because of hod complex it is, is just an fancy way of saying: "gut check"

I mean gut is always used in even the most logical of systems since no system has a "100% guaranteed" tell that will

always

indicate an alignment. If a tell is 75-25, you still have to use gut to determine if it's the 75 or the 25. Statistically speaking, it'll usually be the 75 because it wouldn't be 75-25 if the 75 wasn't more common than the 25, but statistically speaking, it still can be the 25 because it wouldn't be 75-25 if there wasn't a 25.

How do you have a scum lean on a slot that never even picked up their role PM?

momo will be replaced if they fail to pick up their role PM by tomorrow morning.

Momo didn't skip out on the game because they didn't like their role PM. They didn't even open it.

While this seems like a fair argument initially, it falls apart when you realize one simple fact.

You don't need to look at your

role PM

to know that you have drawn scum.

You can just

look at your private topics

and tell that you have drawn scum.

Tell me: how can Cephrir differentiate between "momo has not viewed the PM or the scum PT at all", and, "momo did not view the PM, viewed the scum PT, but just didn't post in the scum PT"?

The two are entirely inseparable to him. But the difference between the former and the latter is a difference in likely alignment for the slot.

And since momo flakes more often as scum and momo need not read his role PM to learn that he is scum, trying to clear yourself from momo having not read the role PM doesn't actually work. In fact, it's the opposite; it makes the slot

more

likely to be scum--not less.

When someone sends a PM there’s an ability to tell if someone has opened it or not (as well as if they’ve been online to see it). As such unless momo checked the PTs without reading his role PM (which I deem unlikely) your suspicion is unfounded.

[Wallflower]

I'm still wary of catboi, and I am becoming slightly more wary of FL than I was before, but they both feel like distractions at this point. Catboi has been a pet scumread for me for a while and I can't be confident in them being town but it does not feel like a good elim for today. I think that more time, flips and associations will better inform the Catboi read, and honestly FL too.
Meanwhile, nashville dreams' play is incredibly vapid, I do not get the sense of any real conviction behind their posts. I'm pretty sold on this being the best elimination for today.

[SCP 682]

I'm still wary of catboi, and I am becoming slightly more wary of FL than I was before, but they both feel like distractions at this point. Catboi has been a pet scumread for me for a while and I can't be confident in them being town but it does not feel like a good elim for today. I think that more time, flips and associations will better inform the Catboi read, and honestly FL too.
Meanwhile, nashville dreams' play is incredibly vapid, I do not get the sense of any real conviction behind their posts. I'm pretty sold on this being the best elimination for today.

hey dwlee what are your townreads

[NorwegianboyEE]

Poor newbies underestimating the scum game of a guy whose schtick is that he likes to talk about how good he is as scum

Yeah I'm going to be honest Catboi, these posts do not help at all, and the same goes for Flavor when they're making similar posts. I don't claim to be an expert at this game nor even particularly good at it, but we have no reason to blindly trust you on this, and posts like this feel designed to make players (I presume Butter above) doubt their reads not for inherently being inaccurate or bad but for failing to understand complex meta dynamics only experienced players can get. Essentially going by this logic it's somewhat impossible for a player who hasn't played with Flavor to town read them and only your read (or the reads of others who agree with you) can be accurate.

Well good thing i was here to immediately disprove that.

[bnuuy]

Jesters can be night killed and still win as per wiki.

That’s a different role (Unjester)

[bnuuy]

Tell me: how can Cephrir differentiate between "momo has not viewed the PM or the scum PT at all", and, "momo did not view the PM, viewed the scum PT, but just didn't post in the scum PT"?

You realize you can tell if someone has looked at a PM you sent, right?

So hands up who checks their Private Topics forum often without any particular reason.

How many people even know how to check which Private Topics they are members of without being sent an invite to them?

Good posts.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I'm still wary of catboi, and I am becoming slightly more wary of FL than I was before, but they both feel like distractions at this point. Catboi has been a pet scumread for me for a while and I can't be confident in them being town but it does not feel like a good elim for today. I think that more time, flips and associations will better inform the Catboi read, and honestly FL too.
Meanwhile, nashville dreams' play is incredibly vapid, I do not get the sense of any real conviction behind their posts. I'm pretty sold on this being the best elimination for today.

This is kind of where I'm at too

[SCP 682]

Tell me: how can Cephrir differentiate between "momo has not viewed the PM or the scum PT at all", and, "momo did not view the PM, viewed the scum PT, but just didn't post in the scum PT"?

You realize you can tell if someone has looked at a PM you sent, right?

So hands up who checks their Private Topics forum often without any particular reason.

How many people even know how to check which Private Topics they are members of without being sent an invite to them?

Good posts.

whats good about them? can you elaborate?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Malcolm, why are you starting another wagon instead of joining the ND one?'

This game is like corralling sheep

[NorwegianboyEE]

Come take a juicy bite out of the golden Nashville Dreams wagon.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

tactic always is a valid tictac. They get better late game.

Honestly, couldn't care about the ND wagon. They picked up a couple soul hearts, nothing significant.

Agreed on tictac

Does soul hearts = townpoints?

[bnuuy]

Part of me wants to try to go for the Beloved Princess, and then just have a double night before scum get any info, and then just have a double night.

Yeah this does not read like something posted for here unless I'm missing something? Why would say in advance you "might" try and claim something?

If flavor leaf is scum, what’s likely the case is he drafted that in the scum PT and didn’t effectively proofread. I don’t think it’s a scum PT post.

[bnuuy]

Tell me: how can Cephrir differentiate between "momo has not viewed the PM or the scum PT at all", and, "momo did not view the PM, viewed the scum PT, but just didn't post in the scum PT"?

You realize you can tell if someone has looked at a PM you sent, right?

So hands up who checks their Private Topics forum often without any particular reason.

How many people even know how to check which Private Topics they are members of without being sent an invite to them?

Good posts.

whats good about them? can you elaborate?

I agree with the posts + his vibe is good in them, he’s just spitting raw facts

[SCP 682]

Tell me: how can Cephrir differentiate between "momo has not viewed the PM or the scum PT at all", and, "momo did not view the PM, viewed the scum PT, but just didn't post in the scum PT"?

You realize you can tell if someone has looked at a PM you sent, right?

So hands up who checks their Private Topics forum often without any particular reason.

How many people even know how to check which Private Topics they are members of without being sent an invite to them?

Good posts.

whats good about them? can you elaborate?

I agree with the posts + his vibe is good in them, he’s just spitting raw facts

VOTE: bnuuy
thank you for spewing toog unaligned with you

[bnuuy]

First Tier Scum
Catboi
Wallflower

Second Tier Scum
Meg
Bnuuy
Klick
Menalque

Third Tier Scum or Town
Everyone Else

[Flavor Leaf]

Poor newbies underestimating the scum game of a guy whose schtick is that he likes to talk about how good he is as scum

You can say this to them.
But FYI, i probably have the most reason out of anyone in this game to be suspicious and paranoid of Flavour Leaf.
So the fact that i have not been so far should probably be a little bit telling.

yeah, I would say you and MonkeyMan.

[Klick]

VOTE: Nashville Dreams

[SCP 682]

VOTE: bnuuy
Fine with that

klick why did you switch off?

[Flavor Leaf]

Nashville wagon is a compromise wagon with weak reasonings that is just most likely them making off posts while trying to post while not being completely in the game.

Titus is trying to play the game, but hasn't had the time to play. ScumTitus would be doing a lot more.

[bnuuy]

And do you believe this is something I wouldn't do as town?

Yep

You're being manipulative and that makes you more likely to be scum

Flavor Leaf does that as town

[SCP 682]

Nashville wagon is a compromise wagon with weak reasonings that is just most likely them making off posts while trying to post while not being completely in the game.

Titus is trying to play the game, but hasn't had the time to play. ScumTitus would be doing a lot more.

I agree. Scum titus is a force and puts in the work.

There is no reason to vote out a townie just because you are tired of the dayphase ending. Make the hard vote - not the easy one. The harder vote is the one that flips scum.

I also think the fact this wagon *is* gaining so much traction is because both factions are unaligned.

I'd like to see a bunny wagon here.


Does anyone here townread bunny?

[SCP 682]

@bunny give me a comprehensive read on butterchurn please.

I noticed you saw them suspicious early on, I want to know how you feel about the slot now.

[Wallflower]

I'm still wary of catboi, and I am becoming slightly more wary of FL than I was before, but they both feel like distractions at this point. Catboi has been a pet scumread for me for a while and I can't be confident in them being town but it does not feel like a good elim for today. I think that more time, flips and associations will better inform the Catboi read, and honestly FL too.
Meanwhile, nashville dreams' play is incredibly vapid, I do not get the sense of any real conviction behind their posts. I'm pretty sold on this being the best elimination for today.

hey dwlee what are your townreads

Butterchurn
CSF
STD
SoD
Cassowary
You
Well Done
Malcolm
Bnuuy
Monkey
FL
Menalque
Norwee

Probably too many, but some are weaker than others

PEdit: Bnuuy is one of my weaker townreads, but I would rather not elim there today